Damian Lillard: “Jr Smith really gone get fined for showing his tat? They own his body ?”
利拉德发推表示：“JR-史密斯真的要因为露出纹身被罚款？联盟还管得了他的身体吗？”
[Weiss] I’ve talked to a bunch of players about this and there is a lot of concern about the league controlling freedom of cdth on players’ bodies. A few brought up the fact that other players in recent history have had tats of logos and this hasn’t been enforced on them.
记者Weiss：“我和很多球员都谈论过此事，大家普遍对联盟管控球员的身体表达自由的现象表示担忧。其中一些人还提到，近些年来有其他球员也在身上纹了商标，但并没有被要求遮盖。”
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[–][LAL] Magic JohnsonIAm-What-IAm[S] 2018 指標 1 天前
All NBA players who stand by JR must now get Supreme tats to show solidarity
所有支持JR的球员们团结起来！都纹上Supreme以表众志成城的决心！
[–][BOS] Rajon Rondo_MXVII 516 指標 1 天前*
On thei faces so everyone has to play in masks.
纹在脸上，然后大家都得戴着面具打球。
[–]Trail BlazersIsMiseOzz 496 指標 1 天前
Here's an interesting twitter thread on other players with branding on their bodies that they haven't had to cover up
推特上有一贴很有意思，介绍了其他把logo纹在身上但没有被要求遮盖的球员。
[–]Trail BlazersJoeybits 245 指標 22小時前
I'm more interested in why multiple players have Johnny Bravo tattoos.
我更感兴趣的是为什么这么多球员都纹了Johnny Bravo。
[–]Wizardslivefreeordont 198 指標 21小時前
Cause he was a womanizer and wasn’t afraid to go after a woman with a boyfriend
因为他是个玩弄女人的花花公子，就算妹子有男朋友他也敢追。
[–]Trail Blazersingeniopolis 311 指標 14小時前
Why not just get a Tony Parker tattoo instead?
那怎么不直接纹个托尼-帕克呐？
[–]Warriors__BlackSheep 236 指標 23小時前
how do 3 dudes have Mario tattood on them.
Also Iman Shumpert with Johnny Bravo. Makes me root for him more.
勇士球迷：怎么会有3个人都纹了马里奥。
还有，香珀特身上纹了Johny Bravo哈哈。我更挺他了。
[–][POR] Shabazz Napiermccainjames11 105 指標 21小時前
Well one of them is Mario Chalmers
这个嘛，其中一个人就是马里奥-查默斯呀。
[–]Trail BlazersIsMiseOzz 261 指標 1 天前
Obviously ridiculous question, but what if a player has a birthmark that looks exactly like a brand logo?
我知道这么问有点蠢，但如果球员身上的胎记看起来跟商标一样呢？
[–]LakersWhat_Do_It 660 指標 1 天前
I believe that makes them the property of the company, legally speaking. Many people don't realize this is what happened to Ronald McDonald as a boy.
我记得是这样，从法律的角度来看，他们就变成公司的财产了。很多人都没有意识到，这就是麦当劳叔叔小时候的故事。手动滑稽。
[–]jeeeegs 453 指標 23 小時前
Its in the CBA. This is a non issue.
这都在CBA里写着呢。别没事找事了。[译注1]
[译注1]此处指Collective Bargaining Agreement集体谈判协议（劳资协议）。
[–]CelticsBobwhilehigh 130 指標 23小時前
this should be at the top. Everyone should be mad at the CBA, not the NBA lol
楼上的回复应该被顶到最高。大家都应该去埋怨CBA，而不是NBA啊。
[–]Dank94 96 指標 22小時前
What's wrong with he Chinese Basketball Association?
嚯嚯中国职业篮球联赛招你惹你啦？
[–]Trail BlazersStreetMailbox 134 指標 22小時前
It's not enforced consistently, so it certainly is an issue.
Melo has the Warner Bros. logo on his shoulder. Why hasn't he been told to cover it up?
这项规则执行起来并没有一直按同一标准，所以这肯定不是没事找事而是真正存在的问题。
甜瓜肩膀上纹了华纳兄弟的商标，为啥联盟没让他遮呢？
[–]raccoonfarts 117 指標 22小時前
NBA has an official clothing sponsor and Supreme competes with them.
因为NBA是有官方服装赞助商的，Supreme和赞助商是竞品关系呀。
[–]SupersonicsHaejang-guk 355 指標 1 天前
No, they control which ads are shown during their games. This is no different than Team USA making certain players cover their shoe logos.
不能这么说，NBA有权控制哪些广告可以在比赛中露出。这和美国国家队要求部分球员遮住球鞋商标是一样的。
[–]RocketsSuperawesomecoolman 138 指標 1 天前
What would happen if JR got a tattoo of a penis on his face? Would they blur it or make him wear a mask?
那如果JR在脸上纹个28会怎么样？他们会给他的脸打上马赛克还是要求他戴面具？
[–][TOR] OG AnunobyDeMVP_DeMar 313 指標 1 天前
What type of dickhead would get a penis tattooed on their face
什么样的屌人才会在脸上纹个28啊。
[–][MIA] Dion Waitersjbenson255 334 指標 1 天前
JR
[–][GSW] Stephen CurryMEmpire25 333 指標 10小時前
I personally see some issues with brand tattoos because the line before it becomes an ad is a murky one and i understand how that could turn into a loophole for easy sponsorship... BUT the policy needs to be both clear and consistent and the league should address these concerns.
我个人认为商标纹身是有一些问题的，因为这类纹身和广告之间的界限很模糊。我也觉得这有可能让一些公司钻空子，利用规则的漏洞达成轻松打广告的目的……但是，联盟的相关政策必须明确清晰、统一标准、落实到底，同时要对群众提出的问题做出有效应对。
[–][TOR] Vince CarterWalterDwight 160 指標 10小時前
This is some crazy future shit youd see in a satirical movie. We made it boys
这都啥跟啥啊，这些剧情都是我们在讽刺电影里会看到的黑色幽默啊。人类是真进步了。
[–]NBAmopiwan 59 指標 9小時前
NBA can ask a high price for Nike (or any other advertising partner) to advertise because they enforce rules like this.
The players then get half of the money coming in.
Everything works out great as long as players don't undermine this relationship by getting a competing brand tatted on their leg.
正是因为NBA执行这样的政策，他们才能向耐克（或者其他的赞助广告商）收取高额的赞助费用。
而这些费用的一半会流向球员。
只要球员不在腿上纹一个赞助商竞争对手的商标来破坏这段合作关系，那就一切向好，万事大吉。
If the players really want the freedom to wear whatever they want, Lebron could probably speak to some people at Nike and get it OK'd.
如果球员真想争取着装自由的话，估计让老詹跟耐克的大佬打个招呼这事儿就过去了吧。
[–]chrisrodm 674 指標 1 天前*
welcome to the real world where you can't rock up to work looking any way you like...yes there are things employers can tell you to do with your appearance if you want to work for them. im sure the tens of millions you get paid will ease the pain of not being able to show off one of your dozens of tats.
欢迎来到现实世界，在这里上班可不是想怎么穿就怎么穿的哦……是的你没听错，如果你还想在老板手下干活，就要按照老板的要求着装。你一年挣着好几千万，肯定也足够弥补你不能展现纹身的心痛啦。
[–]WarriorsPinheadXXXXXX 76 指標 22小時前
NBA isn't the real world though. It wouldn't exist without the players.
NBA可不算是现实世界，要是没有球员，NBA就不复存在了哦。
[–]HeatMiamiFootball 507 指標 22小時前
few businesses would exist without employees
现实世界里也没有几个脱离职员还能运转的公司呀。
[–]WarriorsPinheadXXXXXX 71 指標 22小時前
Yes but normal employees are thousands of times more disposable.
话是这么说，但是普通的公司员工替换起来就容易多了。
[–]CavaliersAMos050 163 指標 22小時前
This is situational and largely irrelevant. If the players don't want the league doing this, then they need to bring it up at the next CBA.
谁纹什么可以谁纹什么不可以要分情况讨论，很大程度上并没有关联。如果球员不接受NBA的政策，那他们可以在下次劳资谈判的时候提出来嘛。
[–][DEN] Juan Hernangomezsyanide1 72 指標 10小時前
It's not all black and white and should be handled on case-by-case basis. With JR, it's clear as day it's a sponsorship move because the dude is doing business with Supreme and suddenly now he has an enormous fucking ad on his calf.
我觉得这不是非黑即白的问题，需要具体情况具体分析。JR这事儿吧，很明显就是给赞助商打广告了，因为他本来就和Supreme有合作，然后突然他小腿上就™多出来一个大广告。
[–]RaptorsDeArmani_DeBooker 91 指標 10小時前
I believe Oubre was fined for wearing the supreme leg sleeve which also had the Nike and NBA logo on it. I have no idea how these rules are enforced and players probably feel the same way. Some consistency is required.
我记得乌布雷之前也因穿着Supreme护腿比赛而被罚款了，而那条护腿可是有耐克和NBA官方商标的。我不知道这个政策的标准和尺度是什么样的，球员可能也有这种感觉。还是需要明确统一标准啊。
[–][GSW] Stephen CurryMEmpire25 103 指標 9小時前
It's not about that... You can do whatever you want with your body, but just like freedom of speech, you can say whatever you want but you're not entitled to a platform to it. The NBA is not a public space. The TV time of the NBA is expensive and every brand featured is paying heavily for it or at least cutting deals with the league.
不是这么一回事。你对你的身体做什么都可以，就像你有发表言论的自由，想说什么都可以，但是其他人并没有义务给你提供这样一个平台。NBA不是公共空间。NBA的电视转播费用非常高，每一个在电视转播中露出的品牌都为此支付了巨额的费用，或者给联盟开出了优厚的置换条件。
This creates a loophole. And that money the league makes isn't going to some corporate black box, it's used to run the league and in part to pay the players. So it's an established arrangement between all parts.
JR这样的行为就相当于钻了规则的空子。再说了，联盟挣来的钱并非进了公司的帐，而是用于联盟的运营，并且一部分支付给了球员。所以说，这算是各方之间已经达成好的协议。
The league has no right to say what you do to your body, but they are not obligated to show it to the world. The debate here is, when the players sign a contract they are choosing to abide to a set of rules. And the NBA must establish how this fits within their rules and then stick by that all the time. And maybe they are fine with letting everything being broadcasted, but it's their call to make.
联盟当然没有权力规定球员如何对待自己的身体，但是联盟同样也没有义务将你的纹身展示给全世界看。问题的核心争论点在于，当球员签下合同时，他们就认可了一系列规则的约束。而NBA则需要明确本次的事情如何适用规则，并且从始至终保持一样的裁定标准。可能他们并不介意这些纹身都上电视直播，但这也要由他们决定。
My own opinion, JR and others in similar situations have the right to do those tattoos, and have the right to show it off on Instagram and social media. But NBA TV time is up to the league. Only caveat, as i said, it has to be established in the rules and consistent, not just a corporate whim.
在我个人看来，JR和其他球员都有权利在身上纹商标，也有权利在Instagram或者其他社交媒体上晒出来。但在NBA电视转播的时间段，要由联盟说了算。只是有一点需要声明，如同我刚才所说，对此类情况的裁定需要依据规则，按照统一的标准来实施，而不能只是拍脑袋决定选择性执法。
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