為什麼大多數在中國的外國人希望早點離開呢?


為什麼大多數在中國的外國人希望早點離開呢?


看外國網友如何回答:

Sheji Ho, CMO at aCommerce

Answered Tue

The bar has been raised significantly over the last two decades. Gone are the days when just being an expat could get you a well-paying job.

Chinese nowadays are just as talented and, more importantly, work much much harder than many expats. They also speak the language so they’re able to better understand what the market really needs. Which means in many cases entrepreneurial opportunities go to locals too.

過去二十年裡,門檻高了。只要當個外國人就能獲得高薪職業的時代過去了。

當代中國人可是才華橫溢,更重要的是,他們比外國人更努力工作。他們瞭解市場需求。這意味著,在多數情況下,很多創業機會會流向當地人。

Many foreigners I used to work with have either left already or are still there working a miserable low- to mid-level corporate job. Nobody wants to be a loser. What’s even sadder is that the longer they stay in China, the less likely they will succeed at home too. China nowadays is a very unique market (scale, tech/business model innovation), so so-called China experience has increasingly become non-transferrable.

Having said that, Southeast Asia is the new China. You’ll have another 10–20 year time window before locals catch up (again).

很多和我工作過的外國人要麼離開了,要麼仍從事企業的中低層次工作。沒人想成為失敗者。更悲哀的是,他們在中國待的時間越長,在自己國內成功的幾率就越低。中國現在是非常獨特的市場(規模、技術、商業模式創新),所謂的中國經驗越來越不可轉移。

可以說,東南亞是新中國,需要10~20年的時間,才能讓當地人趕上來。


為什麼大多數在中國的外國人希望早點離開呢?


Paul Denlinger, Have lived in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong; fluent in Mandarin (written, spoken)

Answered Mon

Mostly because they don’t have a working knowledge of Chinese, and if they do, they are working at too junior a level in a corporate environment to understand what is really going on.

China is frustrating if you are working on a salary job at a junior level, because aside from the work you do, and the frustrations you deal with on a daily basis, there is little satisfaction. China is NOT a good place if you want to take a paycheck home every two weeks because you have no control over the environment you work in.

大多數是因為他們沒有與中國人一起共事的經驗,如果他們有,那就是他們在企業中級別太低,無法理解到底發生了什麼。

如果你在中國從事初級職位工作,領一份薪水,那中國是令人沮喪的。除了日常工作,還有每天要面臨的挫折,怎麼會滿意。中國不是那種讓你每兩週領一份薪水回家的地方,你沒辦法控制你所處的環境。

China is MUCH better if you are an entrepreneur with an idea which you want to execute in a much shorter time, and you want to see the results quickly. Or if you are a venture capitalist who is talking to company founders who are seeking funding.

Basically, there is a strong bias in today’s China to rewarding inventive entrepreneurs at the expense of salary workers.

如果你是一位短期內有想法要實施的企業家,想快速看到結果,或者你是個風險投資家,與公司創始人交談,那中國是個不錯選擇。

基本上,當今的中國有強烈的偏差,犧牲了工薪階層的利益,去獎勵有創造性的企業家。

Now, if you go back and read the Reddit article on this basis, you will see that all the people doing the complaining about China come from salary worker positions. Many of the older people complaining about China are salary workers in China who missed the entrepreneurial opportunity, and can only complain because they have nowhere else to go.

The sad thing is that (in the case of Americans and many other people) these people will return to their home country, and purvey ideas about how awful China is, when the fact is that they made the wrong career moves in China. The western media will gladly pick up on these stories to show how awful and unfair China is, when the fact is that these people chose salary jobs in China, when they should have instead chosen an entrepreneurial track in China.

現在,在此基礎上,如果你重讀reddit上的文章,你會發現那些抱怨中國的人都是工薪階層。很多抱怨中國的年長的人,都是中國的工薪階層,他們錯過了創業機會,只能抱怨,無處可去。

可悲的是,(美國或其他人)回國之後,傳播了中國有多糟糕的評價。西方媒體會欣然接受這些評價,然後報道中國多糟多不公平。而實際上,這些人在中國選擇了領工資,他們本該在中國創業的。


為什麼大多數在中國的外國人希望早點離開呢?


Matthew Miller, American living and working in China.

Answered 12h ago

I, an American, have been involved with China for decades, and I lived and worked there for years. There are two kinds of expats in China (anywhere):

Those willing to accept and live in another culture, lear
n another language, eat different food, make Chinese friends, and generally be excited and happy about discovering life that is very different to their own. These are the expats that, like me, usually have a wonderful experience in China.

我是美國人,幾十年來一直和中國打交道,我在中國生活工作了很多年。在中國有兩種外國人:

1、樂意接受並住在另一種文化中,學習另一種語言,吃不同的食物,交中國朋友,對發現生活中的不同而幸福快樂。這些外國人如我,在中國通常留下美好的經歷。

The immature, arrogant, whining, selfish pricks who like to mock other cultures and look down upon them. These usually only hang out with other expats and only go to Western restaurant and Western bars, where they get drunk with their miserable expat friends and badmouth their host country.

In other words, an expat’s attitude makes the difference. “Most expats” do not hate China as far as I know, but the whining pricks do.

2、不成熟、傲慢、滿腹牢騷、自私自利的、喜歡嘲笑別國文化,看不起當地人。這些人通常只與其他外國人混一起,去西餐廳、西酒吧,在那裡他們會和外國的狐朋狗友一起喝醉,一起誹謗他們的東道國。

換句話說,外籍人的態度決定了他們的差異。據我所知,“大多數外籍人士”不討厭中國,但怨氣滿腹的人會討厭。


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