近日，羅賓-范佩西在接受採訪時透露了2012-13賽季曼聯更衣室的軼聞：“四月份時我們輸給了曼城，但我們在積分榜上還是有12分的領先優勢。有兩名球員在那場敗仗當夜外出參加派對。第二天，弗格森把派對狂歡的照片釘在了牆上，對我們說:‘假如我們丟了冠軍，那全是因為這兩個混蛋（assholes）’。”
[–]【曼聯】Sveq 7560 points 21 hours ago
"He didn't stop there, but warned us that if he heard of any of us going out before we'd won the league we'd be out of the team. "He was merciless, saying: 'I don't care who you are or how many trophies you've won - if you go out before the end of the season I'll sell you'.
Ruthless
“他並沒有結束訓話，而是警告我們，要是隊中再有人在英超奪冠之前出去鬼混，那就立馬捲鋪蓋滾蛋。他絲毫不留情面，呵斥道：'我不管你是誰，或者拿過多少冠軍——只要你敢在賽季結束前溜出去，我就把你賣掉'。”（譯註：這段話同樣來自范佩西的採訪內容）
真是鐵面無情啊
[–]【皇馬】zamov 3088 points 20 hours ago
Only 3 managers got the upper hand control over cristiano Ronaldo. Fergie, ancelotti and zidane. All 3 won the CL with him. Not even mourinho got the respect from ronaldo like those 3
只有三位主帥能把C羅管得服服帖帖。弗爵爺、安切洛蒂以及齊達內。這三位都曾憑藉C羅的發揮贏下了歐冠獎盃。強如穆里尼奧也沒能讓C羅像尊重上面三位那樣尊重他。
[–]RedFirenIce 1054 points 19 hours ago
I think Ronaldo and Fergie were, and perhaps still are, very close.... Particularly in the aftermath of the passing of Ronaldo's father. I saw Ronaldo talking about that time in a in interview a while back - it was clear they are/were tight. I can't speak to Zizu or Ancelotti's relationships with Ronaldo though. Important to note of course that he signed for us as a young kid - perhaps a mature one given Lisbon was already far from Madeira - but it's still a big jump to go from Lisbon to Manchester.... I expect Fergie looked after him well during that time, on and off the pitch. He was always good at integrating and looking after younger players. Rarely did a player not love Fergie.
我覺得C羅與弗爵爺之間曾經，也許現在也十分親密……尤其是在C羅的父親過世之後。我在C羅以前的一次採訪中聽他聊起過那段時光——很顯然他和弗爵爺曾經/依然關係密切。對C羅和齊祖或者安胖之間的關係我不做評論。當然，值得一提的是他加盟曼聯時還是個少年——鑑於里斯本競技時期的他早已不再是那個來自馬德拉島的男孩，可能那時已經算成年人了——但對他來說從里斯本到曼徹斯特仍是一步巨大的飛躍……我估計弗爵爺在那段時期無論在場上還是場下都對他非常關照。他老人家一直都很擅於幫助年輕球員融入隊伍並照顧他們成長。試問哪個球員不愛弗爵爺呢。
[–]【艾爾德里】olivark 827 points 19 hours ago
I remember Ronaldo winning something, walking down the steps with his medal and seeing Ferguson. He pushed someone out the way to go back and speak to him. Looked like there was genuine love between them too, Ferguson looked very proud of him even though he'd retired by that point and he wasn't involved.
我還記得C羅贏得什麼榮譽之後，戴著他的獎牌走下階梯時看見了弗格森。總裁還推開別人返身去跟弗格森說話。他們之間是真愛無疑，即便那時候弗格森都退休了，而且C羅的那項榮譽也與他無關，可他看上去依然為C羅而感到驕傲萬分。
[–]【西漢姆聯】TommyCoopersFez 453 points 19 hours ago
（2016年歐洲盃決賽頒獎式結束後，弗格森專門等候C羅走近並向他道賀，視頻難傳，此處以動圖代替）
[–]【英格蘭】Reflex2011 493 points 18 hours ago
So interesting to see who Sir Alex made a conscience decision to congratulate obviously Nani and Ronaldo, but Pepe too I assume because he was the only player that played against him?
看弗爵爺決定恭喜誰還挺好玩的（譯註：弗爵爺在等到C羅之前，面前還過去了好幾名葡萄牙球員），納尼和C羅是自家孩子當然不用多說，但沒想到他還恭喜了佩佩，我估摸著是因為佩佩是唯一和他對陣過的球員？
[–]【多特蒙德】masetheace97 412 points 18 hours ago
He loves him some shithousery
想必是愛他那股混不吝的勁兒吧
[–]【艾爾德里】olivark 128 points 19 hours ago
That's it, cheers. I actually enjoyed seeing it again.
就是這一幕，謝啦。真高興又能重溫一次。
[–]gobears1235 166 points 18 hours ago
Almost makes me cry man. They look at each other like father-son, like Sir Alex raised Ronaldo to the level he is today (which he practically did!). Just amazing stuff.
我都快看哭了。如父如子凝眸望，育苗參天師恩長。實在是一樁美談。
[–]Winkerman1919 1284 points 19 hours ago
Not that I disagree with what you’re trying to say about those three managers having upper hand control over Ronaldo. But it’s a little far fetched to correlate that with winning the CL with him. On the same token, before joining Juventus, only three managers managed to win a league title with him - Fergie, Mourinho, and Zidane
（接著之前的話題）倒不是說我對前面提到的三位主帥管好C羅的觀點有啥意見。我只是覺得把C羅和他們贏得歐冠的事情生拉硬拽在一起有點扯。照這麼說，在C羅去尤文圖斯之前，也只有三名主帥能在隊中有C羅的情況下贏下聯賽冠軍——弗爵爺、穆里尼奧和齊達內。
[–]【阿森納】cliff_smiff 80 points 19 hours ago
Isn't Ronaldo famously one of the very, very few players Ferguson made exceptions for because of his ridiculous talent?
難道C羅不是弗格森因其天賦異稟而寄予厚望的極少數球員之一嗎？
[–]【曼聯】ZachMich 200 points 19 hours ago
Ronaldo wasn't really badly behaved though. I can't remember him being involved in controversies that the likes of Beckham, Giggs, Cantona and Rooney were in
C羅也沒有什麼特別出格的行為啊。我可不記得C羅捲入過像是貝克漢姆、吉格斯、坎通納以及魯尼曾經陷入的那些爭議。
[–]【沙姆洛克流浪者】danirijeka 150 points 18 hours ago
Cantona
Setting the bar a bit high, are we now
坎通納
兄臺，非要開局就出王炸麼
[–]【阿森納】SBB_Head 2137 points 21 hours ago*
That's the kind of mentality where you've got to have a core group of players you know will stick by you. Fergie had that in the form of Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Rio etc, which is why this stuff acted as a motivator, instead of something that alienated and lost the locker room.
IMO, very few managers command that these days, as most don't stay at a club long enough to make it "theirs" in the eyes of the players. One reason, of many, why Moyes failed so spectacularly when he took over at United.
Fergie shaming and blaming two players on a potential title loss, when they were 12 points clear in April went down fine, but Moyes placing a ban on chips at the training ground to promote healthier diets was unacceptable.
這就是你有一群死心塌地支持你的核心球員團體時，你所具備的心態。弗爵爺的自己人包括斯科爾斯、吉格斯、維迪奇、費迪南德等等，所以當發生這種事情起到的是激勵作用，而不是讓更衣室分崩離析。
在我看來，如今很少有教練可以做到這樣的掌控了，畢竟在球員心目中，大多數教練在俱樂部的任期都不足以讓其將球隊刻上自己的烙印。這便是莫耶斯當初接任曼聯卻最終一敗塗地的原因之一。
曼聯在四月份還領先12分時，弗格森因為潛在的丟冠危險而痛罵並問責兩名球員，這種做法很有效，然而莫耶斯為了提倡健康飲食，在訓練場禁止食用薯條，這種做法卻無法被更衣室接受。
[–]【曼聯】demonictoaster 685 points 20 hours ago
Moyes failed so spectacularly because he took away the well oiled machine that worked in order to "make the club his" from day one and was clearly completely overwhelmed and not up to the job as such a big club. He was instantly out of his depth. Mourinho and Van Gaal originally commanded a lot more respect a lot quicker than Moyes I don't think length of time was the issue in that case.
莫耶斯一敗塗地的原因在於他初到曼聯便為了“改朝換代”而棄用了磨合多年的教練班子，這種激進做法明顯毫無成效，也不適合曼聯這種體量的豪門。很快他就玩不轉了。反觀穆里尼奧和範加爾，他們在接手曼聯的初期就比莫耶斯更快地贏得了球員的尊重，所以我覺得教練任期長短並不是更衣室管理問題的關鍵。
[–]【曼聯】SBB_Head 279 points 20 hours ago
Oh don't get me wrong, it was clear from the beginning he was sinking in the deep end.
However, something I've always wondered is, do you think Moyes "gutted" the club on his own ego? Or was he advised, whether by higher ups at United or even Fergie when passing the job over, to try and stamp his authority early on, only for it to backfire immensely?
I don't see Fergie being the type to say "now don't touch anything, these aren't your toys" so to speak when Moyes took over.
你別誤會，莫耶斯的失敗結局一開始就呼之欲出了。
然而，我一直很好奇的是，莫耶斯對球隊進行“拆舊重建”的做法真的是他自己的意願嗎？會不會是來自曼聯高層的授意，或者甚至來自弗格森在他接任時的建議？目的是讓他在執教初期儘早樹立權威，只不過最終事與願違罷了。
我看弗爵爺不像是那種會在交接帥位時跟莫耶斯說“別亂碰，這可不是你的玩具”的那種人。
[–]【曼聯】wallofillusion 377 points 20 hours ago
Fergie has said since that the biggest mistake Moyes made was getting rid of the entire backroom staff.
弗爵爺說過，莫耶斯接任曼聯主帥以來犯的最大錯誤就是清洗了原先所有的幕僚班底。
[–]jds192 873 points 21 hours ago
Nae chance a Scot like Fergie says 'Assholes'.
弗爵爺這樣的蘇格蘭大爺咋可能用“混蛋”二字呢。
[–]【利物浦】ThereWillBeGoals 687 points 21 hours ago
It's a French magazine talking to a Dutch player. I'm sure there's been some word replacement going on that carries the same general sentiment.
這是一家法國刊物在採訪一名荷蘭球員。難免在表述上會用一些近義詞嘛。
[–]【霍芬海姆】Spiveym1 175 points 18 hours ago
Yeah, he used the word "Arseholes" instead
我在現場！弗爵爺當時罵的是“墳蛋”
[–]【熱刺】Zhurg 152 points 20 hours ago
Cunts
“婊子養的”
[–]dave1992 48 points 21 hours ago
two Jobbies?
“兩個屎蛋”？
[–]【利物浦】dave1992 350 points 21 hours ago
Who are the two players?
那麼問題來了，這兩名球員到底是誰？
[–]【曼聯】Akustics 759 points 21 hours ago
Looking at our squad back then, I wanna say Anderson was probably one of them
掃了一眼當年我魔的陣容，我賭5個大頭菜其中之一是安德森那小子
[–]【西漢姆聯】Runningman0301 412 points 21 hours ago
And Rafael
另一個是拉斐爾吧
[–]【利物浦】dave1992 191 points 21 hours ago
Would he really party with only Anderson and not his brother?
他去派對玩只帶安德森不帶他哥哥？
[–]TheWeirdDude-247 624 points 20 hours ago
I have a brother I never go out with him
我有兄長，還不是自己出去浪
[–]SnowbearX 49 points 18 hours ago
His brother was married young. I remember Fergie used the wedding ring to tell them apart, seems likely he was the level headed one
他哥哥（法比奧）結婚得早。我記得弗爵爺當初就是靠結婚戒指來區分這哥倆的，他哥看起來要穩重多了。
[–]【曼聯】toasterb 33 points 17 hours ago
Fabio wasn't on the team that season, so wouldn't have been in Manchester. He was on loan to QPR.
法比奧那個賽季沒在隊裡，所以他當時不可能出現在曼市。他那會兒租借去了女王公園巡遊者。
[–]TheBrownBenteke 31 points 18 hours ago
Definitely not Rafael. Brilliant kid he was.
顯然不是拉斐爾啦。他是個聰明的孩子。
[–]orgasmo87 26 points 20 hours ago
Rooney and gibson?
會是魯尼和吉布森嗎？
[–]【曼聯】Akustics 158 points 20 hours ago
Gibson is a good shout but he had already left the club before 12/13. It can’t be Rooney, he’s a tabloid favorite, those pictures would have been splashed absolutely everywhere if it were him.
選吉布森算你有眼光，但他在2012-13賽季之前就離隊了。也不會是魯尼，他可是小報的香餑餑，如果真是他的話，那派對照片早就傳得沸沸揚揚了。
[–]【里昂】babyvince 636 points 20 hours ago
SAF is ruthless as hell. I still can't believe he completely omitted Berbatov, the top PL scorer in the CL final vs. Barca.
弗格森爵士殘忍到爆。我至今仍然不敢相信他在對陣巴薩的歐冠決賽中，徹底棄用了英超王牌射手貝爾巴托夫。
[–]【麥克爾斯菲爾德鎮】ingwe13 733 points 20 hours ago
Yeah this came up in a recent thread. I think it is helpful context to remember that Berbatov scored 20 goals in the league, but 11 of them came in three games. Also in 7 appearances he hadn't scored any goals in the UCL that season. So aside from three games he had 9 goals in 36 appearances. SAF was certainly ruthless, but there were decent reasons to omit Berbatov from that game.
最近有個帖子還提到這事呢。不妨瞭解一下來龍去脈吧，貝爾巴托夫當時在英超攻入20球，不過其中有11球是在3場比賽中打進的。此外，在那個賽季的歐冠裡，瀟灑哥7次出場卻顆粒無收。算下來，除開那3場比賽的爆發，他在其餘36場比賽裡只有9球入賬。弗格森爵士是很無情，但他歐冠決賽棄用貝巴確實合情合理。
[–]cathalmce95 298 points 19 hours ago
As a United fan I never know how to feel about Berbatov. On the one hand it’s easy to remember the swish and flick vs West Ham, hat trick vs Liverpool and five goals against Blackburn. But I think a lot of people forget how polarizing he in his first season. A lot of the time his style of play slowed down what was at the time one of the quickest counter attacks in Europe. It was one of the reasons why we only scored 68 league goals that year, with an attack of Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez. Speaking of which, his arrival subsequently led to Tevez being on the bench and leaving in the same window as Ronaldo, more or less ending United’s time as a European powerhouse.
作為曼聯球迷，我對貝爾巴托夫的感覺真是一言難盡。一方面，他對西漢姆的瀟灑一彈、對利物浦的帽子戲法、對布萊克本的五子登科，至今仍然難以磨滅。另一方面，許多人可能已經忘了他在我魔的第一個賽季口碑是多麼兩極分化。我魔當年的高速反擊全歐洲都排得上號，然而很多時候他的踢球風格根本就是在拖我魔反擊的後腿。這就是當時我魔坐擁C羅、魯尼、貝巴和特維斯的豪華鋒線，但一個賽季下來卻只打進68個聯賽進球的原因之一。說起這個，正是貝巴的加盟導致了特維斯淪為替補，之後便與C羅在同一個轉會窗離隊，多多少少加速了曼聯歐洲巨頭時期的終結。
[–]AnonCow12 90 points 19 hours ago
Van Persie saved those two assholes
範大將軍（的賽季表現）拯救了那兩個混蛋
[–]【馬競】RoadsterIsHere 104 points 18 hours ago
Love Alex Ferguson. The best coaches seem to be the ones that know how to control the players mentally, as much as they can tactically. Guardiola is probably the only highly successful coach without having a very high reputation for man management.
大愛弗格森。最好的教練們應該懂得如何從心理上控制好球員，正如他們在戰術層面做到的那樣。瓜迪奧拉可能是唯一一個不以球員管理而聞名的成功教練了。
[–]【霍芬海姆】harryv1402 73 points 17 hours ago
I think that’s a bit harsh on Guardiola, his own style of man management is amazing in my opinion. He’s brought talented players to Man City and turned them into monsters like Bernardo Silva and Sterling by giving them confidence and creating a clearly great atmosphere at the team. I think it’s a different style of man management but he is great at it.
你這麼說瓜帥可有點不厚道了，就我看來他對球員的管理方式十分出色。他將眾多天才球員帶到曼城，併為他們注入信心，將他們培養成諸如B-席爾瓦和斯特林那樣的怪物，同時也建設起了非常棒的球隊氛圍。這是一種截然不同的球員管理方式，但我認為他做得很不錯了。
[–]【巴塞羅那】Zidlicky3 38 points 16 hours ago
Agreed and I think, bit different reasons, both of them are ok to kick almost anyone out of the club if needed.
For example Guardiola with Ronaldinho and Deco or Joe Hart in City.
Not trying to lift Guardiola on SAF’s level but imo they both are ruthless when needed but SAF of course seems to be more liked and probably one of the best in man managment.
同意樓上，我補充一點，雖然原因各異，但弗爵爺和瓜帥在必要時基本上都可以一票決定誰
該滾出球隊。
比方說，瓜迪奧拉在巴薩時讓羅納爾迪尼奧和德科走人，在曼城時清洗了喬-哈特。
倒不是想把瓜帥抬到弗爵爺的高度，但我覺得他們在必要的時候都會很無情，不過弗爵爺要更受推崇，也稱得起是球員管理方面的翹楚之一。
[–]bestredditposter2020 104 points 20 hours ago
Van Persie is my favourite Man Utd player ever, he fitted in so perfectly in that 2012/13 championship winning team. Was so mad when LVG sold him.
范佩西是我最愛的曼聯球員，他完美融入了2012/13賽季最終奪冠的那支球隊。後來範加爾賣掉他讓我肺都氣炸了。
[–]【曼聯】ChrisV88 129 points 18 hours ago
Serious question - Were you not around for Ruud, Yorke, Cantona, Young Rooney. I love RvP's contribution to that season, but we have had just as effective strikers at different times that put us over the edge.
有一說一，你是沒趕上范尼斯特魯伊、約克、坎通納以及年輕魯尼的時代。我也很愛范佩西在2012/13賽季對球隊的貢獻，但在歷史不同時期，我魔有著眾多讓我們如痴如醉的出眾前鋒。
[–]【阿根廷】insane__knight 47 points 18 hours ago
Don't like United but that Cole and Yorke partnership was amazing to watch. I stopped watching football when Ruud started playing for United so I missed that.
不是魔迷，但是當年科爾和約克這對黑風雙煞實在是太有觀賞性了。範尼加盟曼聯的時候我已經不看球了，所以後面的精彩我無福見證。
[–]MisterGoog 42 points 18 hours ago
He said favourite. Not best. Van persie had a certain flair to him that was sexy
層主說范佩西是他的最愛。又不是評最佳。情人眼裡出西施嘛。
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