Best Clutch-Time Player Efficiency Rating from the past season, Lebron's gap is quite huge.
上賽季關鍵時刻最高效球員榜單：勒布朗-詹姆斯遙遙領先。
[–]helloworldkittycats 386 指標 12小時前*
What if Bron and Kyrie were on the same team? Could you imagine the kind of security blanket?
如果老詹和歐文在一個隊的話會怎麼樣啊？你能想象他們大後期有多穩嗎？
[–]CavaliersMuffinatin 261 指標 11小時前
Damn they could probably pull off some crazy comebacks
騎士球迷：我去你這麼一說還真是啊，他們倆一起搭檔應該能上演驚天大翻盤吧。
[–]Warriors Bandwagonijudgekids 205 指標 11小時前
Maybe from 2:0 or 3:2. There is no way they could pull from 3:1
勇士球迷：可能會在0：2落後或者2：3落後的時候翻盤吧。如果一比三落後的話肯定沒戲了。
[–]ClippersBEEEEEEEEWBS 103 指標 11小時前
But I bet they can't do it in the Finals against the Golden State
快船球迷：但是我敢打賭，他們在總決賽遇到勇士的時候肯定翻不了。
[–]RaptorsThe_Natural_Log 137 指標 11小時前
If they somehow beat GS in the Finals with a 3-1 comeback (which is impossible), the only way GS could save face is if they signed an MVP, like Kevin Durant, which again, would never happen.
猛龍球迷：如果他們竟然能在總決賽面對勇士一比三落後的情況下翻盤（肯定不可能的），那麼唯一能幫助勇士挽回臉面的事情就是再簽下一名MVP，比如像杜蘭特這種的球員。當然了，這肯定是不可能的。
[–][HOU] Clint CapelaDickInLebronsAss 82 指標 10小時前
imagine if they easily run through the playoffs for a few years and then they sign someone like demarcus cousins
火箭球迷：再想想如果勇士這陣容在季後賽裡橫著走了幾年以後又簽了個大表妹這種級別的球員的話該是什麼景象？
[–]RocketsHyperactivity786 290 指標 16小時前
Cavs were a REALLY good clutch team last year, and as you would expect LeBron was ridiculously good in the clutch last year.
火箭球迷：去年的騎士關鍵時刻是真的強，所以老詹去年關鍵時刻這麼給力也是理所應當的呀。
[–]CavaliersFL14 69 指標 10小時前
It was remarkable how calm LeBron was in clutch time. There were points in the season where we just knew he'd make the crucial shot to either tie or break a tie for the lead. He hit, what, 7 game winners last season? It was amazing.
騎士球迷：老詹在關鍵時刻那麼鎮靜真是太神奇了。在上賽季有那麼幾段時間，我們看球的都知道詹姆斯肯定能投進那些關鍵球，不管是為了打平還是取得領先。他上個賽季好像投中了7個絕殺（包括季後賽）？太屌了。
[–]MisterHibachi 63 指標 10小時前
LeBron's a cheat code in that he's at a point mentally where's he's seen everything an NBA team can throw at him in every possible situation but he still is close to the height of his physical powers. Most players when they have LeBron's command of the game (which aren't many) are too broken down physically to do anything with it.
老詹現在就是個金手指了。他的大腦已經見過所有NBA球隊能對他用的招數了，而且同時他的身體還是接近巔峰的狀態。大部分擁有老詹控場能力的球員（沒多少個）在到他這個階段的時候身體已經跟不上了。
LeBron's staved off the physical decline while accelerating the mental progress. It's a cheat code. It's also the reason why LeBron plays better in a series the longer it goes.
老詹不僅把身體能力下降這部分給劃掉了，同時還加速發展自己的心理素質。這妥妥的金手指啊。這也是為啥季後賽系列賽越往後打他越強。
[–]Banner_Hammer 113 指標 12小時前
But n0 cLuTCh g3n3!!!!
說“詹姆斯沒有關鍵先生基因”的人出來走兩步。
[–]LakersMedievalGynecologist 56 指標 12小時前
Genuine question, do people still say this? I haven't heard this take from a semi rational person in years
湖人球迷：我真的想問一下，現在還有人這麼說嘛？我已經好幾年沒從稍微理智點的球迷的嘴裡聽到這種觀點了。
[–]morfenstein 50 指標 12小時前
My brother only watches warriors games and we’ve definitely had the argument recently :/
我兄弟只看勇士的比賽，我們最近為了這件事還爭論了一番 :/
[–]LakersMedievalGynecologist 40 指標 12小時前
Did he watch the finals? LeBron was an absolute monster, but I suppose since he didn't win you could convince yourself he's not clutch.
湖人球迷：他看決賽了嗎？老詹可是打瘋了啊。但是他最後確實沒贏下來，所以你也能騙自己說他沒大心臟。
[–]morfenstein 44 指標 11小時前
Exactly. And he’s biased against him so he probably believes stuff he hears from Skip.
對呀。而且他對老詹有偏見，所以他估計相信Skip Bayless（美國第一詹黑）說的東西.
[–]KingsIswaterreallywet 19 指標 12小時前
I mean their are people on the internet that like to march around and say it but I don’t think any of them have an IQ above 50.
Also, I don’t know if you saw Skips reaction after those game winning shots in the postseason but his excuses for why Lebron still isn’t clutch were the dumbest things I’ve probably ever seen. It makes you wonder how he gets paid to talk about sports
勇士球迷：網上的確有這種人這麼說老詹（沒關鍵時刻基因），但是我估計他們智商都沒超過50吧。
而且我不知道你看沒看Skip Bayless在老詹季後賽絕殺後的反應，但是他對老詹為什麼沒大心臟的解釋應該是我見過的最蠢的東西了。有時候我真的不知道為啥會有人給他錢讓他評論體育。
[–]Raptorspleasefeedthedino 181 指標 17小時前
LeBron and AD are Klutch, the other guys are regular clutch
猛龍球迷：老詹和濃眉是真的大大心臟（Klutch）[譯註1]，其他人也就一般大心臟。
[譯註1]指代老詹和濃眉簽約的體育經濟公司Klutch Sports。
[–]JMess007 36 指標 12小時前
Surprised Dame ain't on this list
利拉德不在名單上也是有點讓我驚訝。
[–]Lakersimadogg 16 指標 9小時前
Anecdotally speaking with no stats at hand to back it up, Dame just seemed off last year to me more often than ever. I used to say he was AUTOMATIC but feel like I saw several times where he didn't come through at the end.
湖人球迷：大家都是感覺利拉德關鍵時刻很NB，但卻沒有數據支持這個論點啊。他去年的狀態我老感覺不太對。我以前會說他在關鍵時刻百發百中，但是去年我覺得有幾次我看他在最後垮了。
[–]Warriorsgoshdarnyou 11 指標 11小時前
Could these 5 beat the Warriors?
勇士球迷：榜上這五個能打贏勇士嗎？
[–]Raptorsliamliam1234liam 11 指標 11小時前
Tough to say. They individually have more overall talent, but the spacing would be trash.
猛龍球迷：難說啊。這幾個人的個人天賦能力加起來更高，但是場上空間不太行呀。
[–]klawhileonard 16 指標 6小時前
This is literally the most overused argument ever when asking if a hypothetical team can beat the warriors. Just because they’re not 5 Steph Currys doesn’t mean players like Lebron Kyrie and even AD aren’t competent 3 shooters that can provide spacing if needed. It’s not like it’s 5 Ben Simmons out there
沒空間這個論點應該是“某五個人能不能打贏勇士”爭論裡最被高估的一個論據了。說得好像因為他們不是五個庫裡所以就沒空間一樣。像歐文，詹姆斯，甚至濃眉都算是很好的射手，需要的話也能提供空間。這又不是五個西蒙斯啊。
[–]ma-key-in 50 指標 12小時前
Why he didn’t win MVP is a mystery.
老詹為啥沒拿下MVP也算是個迷了。
[–]Jackalope0331 52 指標 11小時前
We take LeBron for granted, we’re just used to him being absolutely dominant and don’t give him the accolades he deserves.
我們已經習慣詹姆斯的統治力了，所以沒給他應得的榮譽啊。
[–][BOS] Tayshaun PrinceCelticsfor18th 27 指標 10小時前
Because he had a month with the worst +/- in the entire NBA while Harden led the team with by far the best record and was statistically superior as well? The only argument I can see for LeBron over Harden is that he played 10 more games which is a fair point but Harden was better in the time he played in and it shouldn’t be a mystery.
凱爾特人球迷：因為他有一個月拿了NBA最差的正負值，同時哈登帶隊幫火箭衝到了聯盟第一，而且數據也比老詹好？老詹唯一比較出彩的是他比登哥多打了10場比賽，但是登哥出場的時候打得更好啊，這有啥迷的。
[–]Sneaky___ 18 指標 10小時前
Because James harden was just as good as lebron and was on a team that finished better.
You can debate what the true meaning of what MVP should be(I think we've been doing it wrong), but if you really can't see why James Harden won it, then IDK what to tell you
因為哈登常規賽表現完全不遜詹姆斯，而且火箭最後的戰績也比騎士好。
你可以爭論MVP的定義到底是什麼（我覺得現在的標準不對），但是如果你真的不懂為什麼哈登能贏，那我是真的不知道怎麼聊了。
[–]sapphiretears_ 65 指標 17小時前
now try a stat that’s not terrible
可以，要是樓主引用的這個PER數據不糟糕透頂的話就更好一些了。
[–]Heatqwerty7990 23 指標 17小時前
Lol since when was PER terrible? Are you trying to say that this post is misrepresenting LeBron as the best clutch player in the league? Did you even watch last season?
什麼時候PER糟糕透頂了？難道你是說這帖子是在誤導大家覺得詹姆斯是最大心臟的球員？咱去年看的是一個賽季嗎？
[–]sapphiretears_ 92 指標 17小時前
PER is like the worst “advanced” stat in basketball i thought this was common knowledge
在籃球世界裡，PER效率值還真的是最垃圾的“高階”數據啊。我還以為這是常識呢。
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 120 指標 17小時前
PER was created heuristically. It was basically John Hollinger assigning weights to things as he saw fit. Now we have things like BPM (box plus minus). BPM is based off of RAPM (regularized adjusted plus minus) to assign it’s weights.
效率值(PER)是一邊試一邊改這麼弄出來的。差不多就是John Hollinger根據他的經驗給不同數據不同的比重，沒有那麼精細。現在我們有了綜合正負值（BPM）啊。綜合正負值是根據 RAPM（調整後的正負值）來給數據不同的比重的。
RAPM takes play by play data to get all of the players on the court and track point differential to see how each player effects plus minus while taking into account who is on the court with them. For BPM they calculated RAPM for player’s using 14 years of data and then found how much box score stats correlate to RAPM. The goal here is 1) to estimate RAPM for players before play by play is available (late 90’s) 2) have a sort of computational shortcut for current players.
RAPM收集了每個回合的數據，容納了所有在場的球員，計算分差然後來看每個球員對分差的貢獻，同時，他也考慮到了跟該球員同時在場的其他人的影響。BPM的話，就是用一共14年的數據計算球員的RAPM，然後看這個數據和普通基礎數據統計之間有多大的相似性。這麼做的目的是：1）計算在沒有每回合數據之前的球員的RAPM（90年代後期）2）為現役球員建立一個電腦計算式的簡化公式。
TLDR: PER was calculated by a sort of common sense approach, while more modern metrics like BPM derive their coefficients from a legitimate statistical process.
總結：PER的計算方法更基於“常識”的渠道，現在的高階數據，比如BPM吧，是用可靠合理的的數據計算體系來設置係數的。
[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 75 指標 13小時前
A 30 PER season has only been done 20 times in NBA history. Wilt has the record, with 31.8.
According to Hollinger, a PER of 10 corresponds to a fringe roster player, a PER of 30 corresponds to a strong/runaway MVP candidate. 50 is way off the charts.
PER is kinda dumb but still, this is pretty nuts.
勇士球迷：NBA歷史上有20次達到30的PER賽季。張伯倫的31.8是歷史紀錄。
根據Hollinger的解釋，PER為10的球員算是個邊緣角色球員，30的話是爭奪MVP的熱門，50的話就太恐怖了。
PER是個挺愚蠢的數據沒錯，但樓主列的榜單也太不可思議了。
[–]Supersonicsjessezoidenberg 39 指標 12小時前
honestly, this makes me question the validity of using PER with these constraints more than anything else
說實在的，這隻會讓我懷疑使用PER的合理性，考慮到有這麼多限制。
[–][GSW] Harrison Barnesgatx370 24 指標 11小時前
I mean using PER in this situation is about as valid as using Per 36 on the final five minutes of the game, so however you would interpret that, it’s about the same
勇士球迷：在這種情況下使用PER就和把最後五分鐘的數據變成每36分鐘的數據一樣合理啊，所以不管你怎麼看，其實都差不多啊。
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