巴特勒重新定義逼宮交易全身而退並讓球隊理虧;你認可他的做法嗎

我非常中意這個計劃。要是這種事未來發生在我頭上,我會好好借鑑的。完全逆轉局勢打她個措手不及。我還得給照片P上點毒品呢。

[–]San Diego Clippersbutt_fun 1436 指標 7小時前

gotta play that scorched earth game

遇到這種情況,用焦土政策往上懟就完事兒了。

[–]Cavalierspapadopus 356 指標 6小時前

Pro-tip:

Check legality of such an action before doing something that might potentially ruin your life.

專業人士建議:

在行動前,首先查一查這是否觸犯法律,以免毀掉你的人生。

[–]BullsohgodwhydidIjoin 418 指標 6小時前

Amateur tip: Tell her you sent it to her parents, but don't

業餘人士建議:告訴她你把照片發給她爸媽了但別真正發。

[–]Hornetsnotedgarfigaro 164 指標 6小時前

always sage advice, but since they were broken up and presumably he didn't solicit a picture of her sucking another guy off, he's pretty much in the clear to give it to other people, at least in my jurisdiction.

查查犯不犯法永遠是睿智的忠告。不過鑑於層主和她已經分手了,而且這張照片並不是層主向她索要的,所以層主把這張照片發給其他人也是沒有問題的,至少我這兒的法律是這樣的。

[–]SpursDeacalum 142 指標 6小時前

Yep, in most areas she gave up her reasonable expectation of privacy once she sent the image unsolicited to an ex.

沒錯,在美國大多數地區,當一個女人主動把照片發給前任(而不是後者索要),她實際上就已經放棄了自己對(前任尊重自己)隱私權的期許了。

[–]DazzleOrange 316 指標 7小時前

She must be a classy girl.

層主你女友可真是個好女孩呀。

[–]Warriorscontigowater 172 指標 6小時前

Well, she clearly hadn't gotten over you then

這個嘛,如果她這麼幹,那很明顯她還沒放下你。

[–]SigneduptoAWOOOOO 120 指標 5小時前

My thoughts. She's hurting about something and doesn't know how to show it like a normal, stable adult.

我也是這麼想的。她還傷著呢,不知道怎樣才能像一個正常、沉穩的成年人一樣表達出來。

[–]NewYorkAutisNtLondon 309 指標 5小時前

Her jaw is hurting nephew.

她的下巴確實傷著了哈哈。


[–]Celticsbeannet 1433 指標 7小時前

To be fair, when a player demands a trade, and the player does not have medical leverage (opt-in to surgery in order to miss time), the team will likely say “Or what?”

Jimmy is showing the team what happens when they drag their feet. Jimmy showing what happens when you try to “call his bluff”.

凱爾特人球迷:公平地說,如果一名球員要求交易但自己沒有傷病作為把柄(比如威脅球隊自己要做手術從而保證缺席比賽),那球隊很可能只會淡淡地說一句“否則呢?”

巴特勒在向球隊展示他們拖拖拉拉的後果;球隊覺得巴特勒是在虛張聲勢,但巴特勒是實打實地要給他們看什麼叫“虛張聲勢”。

Agree with how he’s doing it or not, he’s certainly braving uncharted waters with all this shit.

不管你是否認同他的做法,這樣一個爛攤子面前,他真的是冒著前途未卜的風險在秀操作。

[–]Bullscorvenzo 190 指標 5小時前

Vince did this shit way before and took it a step further by playing in games and playing like shit

公牛球迷:卡特很久以前就幹過這種事啊,而且他的做法更過分——在比賽中出場但是消極怠工。

[–]WarriorsMacDerfus 131 指標 4小時前

Yeah, but Jimmy isn't looking to do that. Vince took himself to the level of the rest of the team. Jimmy is gonna make the team look bad.

勇士球迷:是,但巴特勒不想這麼做的。卡特的做法讓自己顯得理虧,而巴特勒是讓球隊理虧。

[–]Benjiah20 831 指標 5小時前

Every star goes about demanding a trade differently. When Vince Carter wanted out of Toronto he was telling other teams what plays they were about to run.

每個球星都有不同的逼宮球隊的方式。當卡特那會兒想離開猛龍時,他是直接向對手透露本隊要執行的戰術。

[–]HuskiesBasedPython 357 指標 4小時前

The good old days of how fucked our front office was.

猛龍球迷:不堪回首的日子啊,那會兒我們的管理層就是一群制杖。[譯註1]

[譯註1]據稱,“向對手透露戰術”是一個流傳很廣的謠言。據紀錄片《卡特效應(The Carter Effect)》,真相是卡特想留在猛龍,而猛龍想放棄卡特圍繞波什進行重建,但不好將其交易走,便指使媒體抹黑卡特,雙方鬧得很不愉快。


[–]meenzu 593 指標 5小時前

Honestly as a fan that doesn’t really give a fick about the organization, I’m just really enjoying the show

作為一名完全不在乎球隊死活的佛系球迷,我很享受現在這齣好戲。

[–]76ersunbelievre 116 指標 5小時前*

Players only have limited careers. This guys only got a few years left in his prime. If he wastes it playing with people perceived as mentally weak or lacking in drive that will affect his legacy forever. Imagine if he gets traded to the Rockets and locks KD down in the WCF and is a key cog in winning a championship.

76人球迷:球員的生涯是有限的。巴特勒的巔峰期沒剩幾年了。如果巴特勒把巔峰期浪費在這些被外界認為軟弱還缺乏動力的人身上,他的歷史地位會受到永久的影響。想象一下:要是巴特勒被交易到火箭,並在西決成功封鎖杜蘭特,成為奪冠的關鍵因素,那他的歷史地位會是如何?

That's the potential fork in the road for him. That's why it's worth it to be a dick and not just allow your fate to be controlled by others all the time.

現在很可能是巴特勒生涯的分岔路口。所以這就是為什麼做一個“帶惡人”是值得的,別總是讓自己的命運總被他人左右。

[–]dodo_gogo 149 指標 4小時前

With Jimmy on court: Offensive efficiency rank #1 Defensive efficiency rank #14

With Jimmy off court: Offensive efficiency rank #14 Defensive efficiency rank #30

巴特勒在場時,森林狼進攻效率聯盟第1,防守效率聯盟第14;

巴特勒不在時,進攻效率聯盟第14,防守效率聯盟第30.

There are less 5 to 10 players in the league that can affect the whole teams league efficiency ranking like that. To say he is not top dog worthy is completely disingenous. The data does not back that up. With Jimmy the team jumps over HALF the league.

聯盟裡,能像巴特勒這樣影響球隊攻防兩端效率的球員也就那麼5至10人。說巴特勒沒老大能力就是在扯淡。數據還不夠說明問題?有巴特勒在,森林狼的攻防效率直接超過了聯盟一半的球隊啊。


[–][LAL] Vern MikkelsenEatMyShittyAsshole 1238 指標 8小時前

It makes Thibs, Wiggins, and especially KAT look extremely weak

湖人球迷:整個局面讓錫伯杜、威金斯還有唐斯(尤其是他)看起來軟弱到極致了。

[–]JimG617 114 指標 7小時前

Thibs could have booted him from practice, sure. But what was KAT supposed to do? Fight the guy in the middle of practice? Does that really prove something.

是,錫伯杜確實本可以讓巴特勒從訓練場滾蛋。但你要唐斯干嘛?在訓練中跟巴特勒幹一架?這真的能證明什麼嗎?

[–]YyoungChris 361 指標 7小時前

Not losing to Jimmy with a bunch of 3rd strong players would've helped.

他可以不輸給巴特勒+第三陣容啊。

[–]JimG617 114 指標 6小時前

Haha true, shame on me for automatically jumping to physical violence

哈哈哈你說的對。我竟然直接想到了肉體暴力,我為自己感到羞恥。

[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownOrangeKookie 686 指標 8小時前

he talked trash to KAT and KAT didn't step up to prove him wrong

凱爾特人球迷:巴特勒向唐斯噴了垃圾話,但唐斯沒有拿出表現反駁他。

巴特勒重新定義逼宮交易全身而退並讓球隊理虧;你認可他的做法嗎

[–][MIA] Wang ZhizhiDopeMan93 338 指標 7小時前

Jimmy says that KAT came at him first

熱火球迷:巴特勒說是唐斯先招惹他的。

[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownOrangeKookie 428 指標 7小時前

that makes KAT look even softer

He came at butler and KAT didn't fire back when Butler returned the favor. Him passing out of a post up on a clear mismatch makes him look soft

凱爾特人球迷:這樣看唐斯就更軟弱了。

唐斯先去招惹巴特勒,巴特勒回擊之後他就啞火了。錯位低位背打巴特勒都能把球傳出去,真的太慫了。

[–][MIN] Wally Szczerbiakwtgm 756 指標 7小時前

The fuck? None of us have seen any footage of the scrimmage. For all we know, Wiggins could have been wide open in the corner ready to brick a three. Passing out of a post-up isn't inherently soft, it's just basketball.

森林狼球迷:瞎扯什麼呢?咱們沒一個人看到了這次訓練賽的視頻錄像。當時的情況完全也可以是這樣嘛:底角的威金斯處於大空位,已經做好打鐵一記三分的準備了。唐斯在低位把球傳出去根本不是慫,這就是打籃球啊

You can justifiably criticize KAT for a lot of things, but his offensive ability isn't one of them. He's one of the best low-post players in the league

你可以有理有據批評唐斯的很多方面,但是他的進攻能力不在此列。他是聯盟裡最好的低位球員之一。

[–]campbellrama 545 指標 5小時前

For all we know, Wiggins could have been wide open in the corner ready to brick a three.

Fucking lmao

當時的情況完全可以是這樣嘛:底角的威金斯處於大空位,已經做好打鐵一記三分的準備了。

特麼笑死我了哈哈哈哈。

[–]BullsActiveModel_Dirty 110 指標 6小時前

But KAT has a huge problem with smaller guys on him in the post. Realistically when someone is touted as the most talented big man in the league, him mismatched onto a shooting guard should yield one of the most high percentage looks on the floor. Especially after you talk shit and it's in practice.

公牛球迷:但是,唐斯在低位面對體格更小的防守者時確實會遇到很大問題啊。現實地說,如果某個球員被標榜成聯盟最有天賦的大個子,那錯位單打得分後衛應該是他命中率最高的一種得分方式了吧——尤其是他還噴了垃圾話,而且這還是訓練。

[–][MIN] Wally Szczerbiakwtgm 95 指標 5小時前

KAT doesn't have a huge problem with anyone on him in the post. Here's the post-up PPP numbers for everyone who played 50+ games with 2+ attempts per game

森林狼球迷:唐斯低位根本就不存在什麼問題,無關防守者。這是聯盟出場超過50次、背打場均超過2次的球員每回合得分排行。


[–][CLE] Kevin LoveYvonaukon 132 指標 6小時前

This thread makes you think of the average age level of this sub. I dont understand how this makes Jimmy Butler look good. He's throwing an absolute fit when he's under contract. Why would the team want to trade a top 15 player for a pu pu platter?

騎士球迷:這個帖子裡的討論不得不讓我懷疑我們區的平均年齡。我不理解,這怎麼就讓巴特勒看起來賊乾淨了?他還處於合同期內呢,結果就搞事搞得驚天動地。球隊憑什麼要賤賣一個聯盟前15的球員?

[–][DET] Ben Wallacezm2485 161 指標 7小時前

I'm baffled at all the praise he's been getting. Sure he has passion and expects that out of everyone, that's fine. But requesting a trade after one season? It just seems like he's too impatient and not good enough to be worth it unless you're already a great team trading for him.

我活塞球迷:也想不通他怎麼就得到了這麼多讚譽。沒錯,他很有激情,對球隊裡每個人都有很高的期望,這沒問題。但是剛打一個賽季就要求交易?這顯得巴特勒很沒有耐心。而且除非你的球隊已經很優秀了還想通過交易得到他,否則花大代價換來他根本不值得。

[–]TimberwolvesBeware_Of_The_Phog 130 指標 7小時前

I think he’s shooting himself in the foot more than anything but that’s just me

森林狼球迷:我覺得巴特勒純粹是搬起石頭砸自己的腳,不過這只是我的觀點。

[–]KnicksDoTheLaLaLaLaLa 436 指標 7小時前

Some team is going to want a vet who holds people accountable. I've always appreciated the person who calls people out on their shit. Oh, you're dribbling the air out of the ball because you think you're hot shit? Let me put you in your place.

尼克斯球迷:總有球隊會希望自己的隊中能有這麼一位讓球員們都擔起責任來的老將。我一直都很欣賞這種有問題直接指出來的人。“你特麼都好把球運沒氣兒了,就因為你覺得很牛逼?讓我來幫你擺正自己的位置。”

[–]KillerBeesRedux 215 指標 7小時前

There are right and wrong ways to hold people accountable. There are right and wrong ways to call people out on their shit.

增強球員責任感的方式有好的也有壞的。有問題就指出來的方式有好的也有壞的。

[–][BKN] Brook Lopezbojackwhoreman 103 指標 5小時前

Jimmy's been playing with these guys for a year. I'm sure this isn't his go-to method to challenge someone.

籃網球迷:巴特勒已經和這群人打了一年的球了。我確信(騎臉教育)並不是他挑戰某人的第一選擇。

[–][PHI] T.J. McConnellPvpal1221 149 指標 4小時前*

Rondo called him out in Chicago for going to the media instead of addressing things internally so it would seem this is exactly his go-to method to challenge someone.

76人球迷:在公牛的時候,隆多就公開指責過巴特勒到媒體面前亂講而不是內部解決。所以大概騎臉教育就是巴特勒想挑戰某人時的第一選擇。


[–]Cavalierstapk69 240 指標 7小時前

I dont agree. GMs and other teams will start looking at Jimmy as someone who is an amazing basketball player but a locker room problem. His divorce from the Bulls was not as bad but he is about to get traded twice in 2 years, that does not look good for someone that is supposed to be the franchise player.

騎士球迷:我不同意。各隊經理和球隊本身會開始把巴特勒視為一名出色但會帶來更衣室矛盾的球員。雖然他跟公牛分道揚鑣時場面沒有這麼難看,但是他即將在兩年內被交易第二次了。這對一名應該是球隊頭牌的球員來說可不體面啊。

[–]fuckkenyandrake 127 指標 6小時前

Eh, I could see a coach like Quinn Snyder or Pop loving that kind of intensity. Butler’s whole thing is he wants the 1-10 in a teams rotstion committed to winning and honing their craft, not 22 year olds practicing Fortnite more than their game.

額,我覺得斯奈德或者波波這樣的教練應該會喜歡巴特勒這樣的強度吧。巴特勒的想法是,他希望球隊裡的第一到第十人都致力於贏球並不斷磨練自己的球技,而不希望自己的幾個二十二歲小年輕隊友練《堡壘之夜》比練球還頻。

[–]LakersNicDwolfwood 317 指標 7小時前

honestly everyone involved looks bad in this shit. The Wolves are getting fucking punked. And Butler is being an asshole. I understand him wanting to be traded, but you should act professionally, how he is going about things is a bad look and It should be a red flag for a team wanting to trade him, that if shit goes bad, hes gonna throw a fit to get out of town again.

湖人球迷:說實話,這場鬧劇裡,每個人都一身髒。森林狼現在完全是被硬核焦作人了。而巴特勒則很混蛋。我理解他希望被交易,但你應該有職業風範啊。巴特勒處理問題的方式很不好,這對他的潛在新東家來說也是一個危險信號:要是在新東家情況也不好,他很可能又會來這一套。

[–]fuckkenyandrake 125 指標 5小時前

To be fair, I’m sure NBA offices around the league realize he’s done this to two terribly owned/managed franchises in the Bulls (much less so) and the Wolves. It’s not like he’s pulling this on the Spurs or Warriors.

公平地說,我相信NBA各管理層都意識到巴特勒是對公牛和森林狼的兩個運營管理能力極差的球隊做出的這種事(公牛的情況要好很多哈)。JB也不是在馬刺或者勇士搞事啊。


[–]BucksSatvrdaynightwrist 563 指標 8小時前

“Without looking bad”

I’m enjoying this but he looks kinda bad, and a lot of people have said this. We’re loving the memes but he really looks like an obnoxious douchebag right now. Being competitive doesn’t automatically make up for that

“不沾一點髒”?

雄鹿球迷:儘管我吃瓜吃得不亦樂乎,但巴特勒真的不乾淨,而且很多人也都表達過類似的觀點。我們都喜歡把這當作梗玩來玩去,但巴特勒現在看起來真的像一個討人厭的混球啊。好勝不是為他開脫的理由。

[–][GSW] Andre Iguodalabjij123 491 指標 7小時前

Idk what's he really done, he's been pretty explicit

勇士球迷:我不知道巴特勒到底做了啥啊,他很直率啊:

1. Trade me I don't want to be here

1. 把我交易走,我不想待在這。

2. I don't want to be here because Kat and Wiggins won't compete

2. 我想走是因為唐斯和威金斯不求上進。

3. Im still here, I told you repeatedly to trade me please

3. 我現在還在這,可我跟你們說了很多次了,請把我交易走。

4. Fine, if you didn't hear me the first 10 times let's make it even more public

4. 好吧,跟你們說了十遍了你們不聽,那咱們就把事搞得更大吧。

5. Destroy Kat and Wiggs

5. 擊潰唐斯和威金斯。

6. Talk about it on TV

6. 在電視上談論此事。

Tell me a single person, who's not a Timberwolves or bulls fan, who'd be bummed this guy got traded to their team

告訴我,除了森林狼和公牛的球迷,哪個球隊的球迷會不接受這樣的球員來自己主隊?

[–]CelticsTheRealRandyMarsh7 110 指標 7小時前

I wouldn't want him on the Celtics right now.

凱爾特人球迷:我現在還真不希望他來我凱。

[–]MagicByrie_Swirving 251 指標 7小時前

What? There are tons of fans who’d be pissed of their teams traded for him. Especially young teams. He’s gonna fuck up the locker room and leave and you will have paid assets for that pleasure.

魔術球迷:要是巴特勒來了自己的主隊,成堆的球迷都會罵娘好嗎?

尤其是年輕的球隊。巴特勒會把更衣室的氣氛搞得一團糟然後拍屁股走人,而你還得為巴特勒的一時之快付出球隊資產作為代價。

[–][GSW] Andre Iguodalabjij123 156 指標 7小時前

This is a reasonable take, he wouldn't be good for the Kings, Magic, Suns, Hawks because their goals aren't aligned. Fair point.

勇士球迷:這是個合理的觀點。對國王、魔術、太陽、老鷹這樣的球隊來說,巴特勒不是一個好的選擇,因為這些球隊的目標和巴特勒的目標不匹配。說得有理。


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