Luka Doncic with a behind-the-back bank shot fadeaway
卢卡-东契奇背后变向+后仰打板。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 1263 指標 1 天前
I keep forgetting how tall he is. He looks incredible out there, like a positionless player. Looks like he was worth tanking a season and giving up a protected 1st for.
我总是忘记东契奇有多高。他在场上看起来太不可思议了，似乎什么位置都可以打。看起来他完全值得摆烂一赛季+放弃一个受保护的首轮签。
[–]MavericksPourGnawgraphy 95 指標 1 天前
Keep going
独行侠球迷：继续吹不要停。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 115 指標 23 小時前
I’ve been watching this dude since last spring or so. Seeing him working with NBA players confirms what I’ve suspected all along, I think he’s going to be the most impactful player from this draft class. I’m pretty high on Jaren Jackson Jr. too for the record, but Luka is something special.
层主：我从去年春天就开始关注他了。看他和NBA球员一起打球的样子恰好印证了我的猜想。我认为他将成为这届新秀中最具场上影响力的球员。顺便说一下，我也很看好小贾伦-杰克逊，但东契奇实在有点与众不同。
If I was a GM, I’d have taken Luka 1st overall easily. He’s a facilitator who can play 1-4 in the modern NBA, and people are sleeping on his ceiling. Hawks are gonna look dumb in a few years.
如果我是经理，我会毫不犹豫地在第一顺位选择东契奇。他能在现代NBA中从1打到4，是球场发动机，人们低估了他的上限。不出几年，老鹰就会（因放弃东契奇的决定）看上去很蠢的。
[–]MavericksPourGnawgraphy 115 指標 23小時前
Oh yeah. That’s the good stuff.
独行侠球迷：舒服了。
[–]Kingsdelamerica93 741 指標 1 天前
God dammit guys stop please
国王球迷：求求你们憋说了。
[–]Otherwise_Window 98 指標 22小時前
Don't feel bad, the Kings really need a project big man with potential
别闹心嘛，你王是真的缺一个需打磨塑造的潜力大个子。手动滑稽。
[–]Hornetsphiljacksonspeyote 70 指標 23小時前
I watched Bagley all year at Duke, he’s no scrub that’s for sure. If he can finish from both sides and/or start consistently hitting 3s he’ll be a monster.
层主：我看了巴格利在杜克一整年的表现。他绝对跟差劲扯不上关系。如果他能娴熟地完成左右手终结，且/或能开始稳定地命中三分，他将会成为一个怪物的。
[–]Kingsdelamerica93 107 指標 23小時前
Yeah...I feel like the Kings have just had so many players with big what-it’s like that. Luka felt so...sure. If Bagley turns out great (he definitely might) I’ll never think about it again but right now it still hurts lol
国王球迷：是啊……我感觉国王有太多像这样的“如果……就”的球员，而且“如果”还都挺大的。相比之下，东契奇给人感觉也太…..稳了。如果巴格利能变得很强（很有可能），我就不会再眼红东契奇了，但现在我还是感觉很心痛。
[–]HostilesAhead_BF-05 618 指標 1 天前
The Hawks have a great future with Luka.
老鹰队在东契奇的带领下有一个光明的未来呀！
[–]Lakersjasonblohothemonster 172 指標 1 天前
Mavs should have traded up
独行侠本应该向上交易选秀权，换来东契奇的！
[–]thevipeer 333 指標 23小時前
Hawks really dodged a bullet right there
老鹰真是躲过一“杰”啊。
[–]Hawksheathbadger 324 指標 22小時前
just fucking fade me for literally 20 years, i swear to god if he becomes a superstar and trae and our 2019 pick both bust i'll find another team. i don't think there's a single hawks fan who wanted trae over doncic.
老鹰球迷：特么的直接让我沉睡二十年吧。我发誓，如果东契奇最终成为超巨，而特雷-杨和我们交易来的那个首轮签都水了的话，我就换主队了。我觉得，没有任何一个老鹰球迷在选秀前更想要特雷-杨而不是东契奇。
[–][SAC] De'Aaron Foxhammerific 168 指標 22小時前
We should've taken him to begin with
国王球迷：我王本该在一开始就选中东契奇的。
[–]KingsBigGreekMike 90 指標 17小時前
I will never recover from this. Vivek and Vlade spat in the face of prophecy. Mock the gods and suffer the consequences.
国王球迷：我可能永远也缓不过来了。维维克（老板）和迪瓦茨简直是对着我王的“先知预言”吐口水啊。愚弄了上帝就等着忍受后果吧。[译注1]
[译注1]国外的国王球迷阵营中一直流传的“预言”是今年会有一个新秀来拯救球队，他就是东契奇。
[–]MavericksNsaniac 198 指標 1 天前
What a finish
独行侠球迷：这最后射的一下真给劲儿啊！
[–]19ad9 106 指標 23小時前
Yup, I came too
是的，我也好了。
[–]ThunderLGN- 1090 指標 1 天前
I don't know who the Ducks are, but they're in trouble
我不知道北京鸭是什么玩意儿，但是他们麻烦大了。[译注2]
[译注2]为梦之队效力的巴克利曾在美国对阵安哥拉的比赛前如此回答记者的问题：“我不知道安哥拉是哪儿，但是他们麻烦大了。”
[–]Mavericksdookieerabillie 324 指標 1 天前*
they're actually keeping up with us lol. Solid team
edit: nvm
独行侠球迷：不过北京鸭还真能跟我们有来有回的啊。这球队水平可以。
补充：当我没说。
[–][DAL] Dennis Smithlilzoe5 105 指標 1 天前
Probably because of the fouls being called every play lol
独行侠球迷：可能是因为他们每次进攻都有哨子吧哈哈！
[–]LoyalarBurn 63 指標 1 天前
I mean they got demolished by an average Euroleage team by 40+ points 2 weeks ago, so they are not that solid I think.
这个……北京队两周前被一支欧洲联赛平均水平的队伍虐了40多分，所以他们的水平应该没那么强吧。
[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiEremenkko 193 指標 1 天前
Luka and DSJ need more of the ball in their hands.
独行侠球迷：东契奇和丹尼斯-史密斯需要更多球权。
[–]76ersCollangelosCollar 37 指標 23小時前
They weren't using him much or something?
是你侠没怎么用东契奇还是怎么的？
[–]MavericksZaiii 120 指標 23小時前
Wes Mathhews kept holding onto the ball too much.
独行侠球迷：因为韦斯利-马修斯太粘球了。
[–]MavericksZnelli96 856 指標 1 天前
Imagine if this man was at all fast
独行侠球迷：如果这个男人速度再起来……啧啧。
[–]walkintall84 564 指標 1 天前
Let's wait 2 years of nba training and diet fixing. I think he can get quicker, stronger & more athletic all around.
耐心等两年吧，看看接受了NBA级别训练和饮食的东契奇的身体会有什么进步。我觉得他会变得更快更壮。整体的运动能力也会有进步。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 122 指標 1 天前
He'd be LeBron-esque if he had athleticism.
独行侠球迷：要是他运动能力可以的话，那他就像詹姆斯啦。
[–][PHI] Joel Embiidxersiz 238 指標 1 天前
doncic + simmons = lebron
76人球迷：东契奇+西蒙斯=詹姆斯。
[–]Knicksanditcounts 77 指標 23 小時前
lebron + simmons = discount doncic
FTFY
尼克斯球迷：
应该这么吹：詹姆斯+西蒙斯=弱化版东契奇。
[–]Warriorslegitness-strong 94 指標 23 小時前
If curry and klay have not taught you guys yet you dont need speed to dominate this league youll never learn. Quickness can be developed through training and developing a quick long first step and change of speed on hesitation and crossovers. Core strebgth helps which he still has allot of room to develop.
勇士球迷：库里和克莱的例子还不够嘛？统治联盟并不一定需要速度啊，你们怎么就不长记性呢。速度可以通过训练锻炼出来，训练也可以帮助你开发很快、迈得很远的第一步，你还可以通过拜佛和变向来变速。核心力量很重要，在这方面，他还有很大的进步空间。
Hes a really good shooter (under rated imo) so you will have to close out strong on his already great stepbacks, which will open up the whole court and once his hesi's get better he is going to be a terror. His court vision is great already too to go along with a really good natural bball iq. He understand the game. He is going to be insanely good!
东契奇是个很棒的射手（我认为被低估了），而且他的后撤步本来就很出色，所以防守者需要紧贴扑防地更紧。这也就帮助东契奇创造了更广阔的场上空间。一旦他的干拔跳投变得更有准头，他会变得很恐怖的。他的球场视野也已经很棒了，篮球智商也不错。他能读懂比赛。他会变得非常厉害的！
[–][PHI] Joel Embiidxersiz 231 指標 1 天前*
pure talent and skill there. you can't teach that.
76人球迷：这球展现了他纯粹的天赋和技巧。这玩意儿没法教。
[–]WarriorsWakingRage 74 指標 23 小時前
That's instinct. He knew exactly where he needed to hit that shot.
勇士球迷：这就是球场直觉，他清楚地知道自己需要在什么位置命中投篮。
[–]MavericksBlackWhiteCoke 87 指標 1 天前
He’s only been used to winning his entire career. Going 38-44 and not making the playoffs will for sure light a fire under his ass next offseason.
独行侠球迷：东契奇整个职业生涯都习惯于赢球。要是独行侠今年战绩38胜44负没进季后赛的话，他下个休赛期会狠狠地加把劲的。
[–]SpursPersianboy7thst 76 指標 23小時前
Almost every rookie is used to winning there whole career
马刺球迷：几乎每个新秀整个职业生涯（进入NBA前）都习惯于赢球啊。
[–]Pacerswldd5 125 指標 22小時前
Not on the level that Doncic has.
但都比不上东契奇的荣誉满身。
[–]KnicksVyperpunkhunk 149 指標 1 天前
Where is that dude that said Luka has to improve his handling?
尼克斯球迷：那位说东契奇的持球还得再练练的老哥在哪呢？
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 173 指標 1 天前
He does let the ball get out of control at times but yeah he has some really crazy dribble moves. He's a good ballhandler.
独行侠球迷：他确实有时会控不住球，不过，你说的对，他有一些很华丽的运球动作，他是位出色的持球者。
[–]Celticsmigibb 101 指標 1 天前
He did just try this move against a guard, instead of a slow big, and turned it over.
I don't think barely getting by Justin Hamilton in a preseason game is the time to declare the haters wrong.
东契奇本场比赛在面对一个后卫而不是移动缓慢的大个子时也尝试做了主楼的这个动作，然后失误了。
我觉得吧，在季前赛中勉强过掉贾斯丁-汉米尔段可不足以证明黑子们是错的。
Luka Doncic NBA DEBUT 2018.09.29 Dallas Mavericks vs Ducks - 16 Pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 blks
卢卡-东契奇NBA首秀在2018月9月29日达拉斯独行侠vs北京鸭的比赛中圆满落幕——16分、6板、2助、3盖帽。
虎扑新闻：https://bbs.hupu.com/23772034.html
[–]Sunssunsbr 484 指標 23 小時前
he played better teams in Europe
东契奇在欧洲可跟比北京鸭更强的队伍们较量过啊。
[–]Mavericksgigantism[S] 249 指標 23 小時前
He's played the Thunder and Celtics before, too.
独行侠球迷：他之前（在皇马）也雷霆和绿军交过手啊（季前赛）。
[–]_Machiavellius 619 指標 23 小時前
One step ahead of Simmons for ROTY this year.
在今年最佳新秀的争夺战中，东契奇目前领先西蒙斯一步哦。
[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsushakattack917 301 指標 23 小時前
That's fine, Simmons will just win again next year
猛龙球迷：没关系，西蒙斯明年再赢回来就可以啦。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 513 指標 23 小時前
I liked what I saw but I'd really like for the rest of the team to let him play-make more and be the primary ballhandler.
独行侠球迷：感觉不错，但我真的希望球队其他人多让东契奇组织进攻，让他成为球队首席持球人。
[–]Mavsrm93 398 指標 23小時前
Wtf was up with Wes playing like he thought he was Kobe?
独行侠球迷：这特么马修斯打啥呢？以为自己是科比？？
[–]Mavericksdjb447 541 指標 23小時前
Contract year
独行侠球迷：合同年到了。
[–]Mavericksdoncicismydaddy 131 指標 23小時前
This is correct. Expect to see more of it unfortunately
独行侠球迷：说的对。很不幸的是，今年我们大概会看到更多这样的情况。
[–]killbill469 123 指標 23小時前*
I understood Wes being more of a ball handler the past couple seasons because the Mavs really didn't have a good one besides JJ...but now we have 2 really damn good ones and he's still trying to dribble like Harden. Gtfoh Wes, go sit in the corner shoot your 3s and get back on D. He was great in Portland because he was a 3 and D guy, I hope he gets back to that.
独行侠球迷：我理解，马修斯过去两个赛季持球打得更多，因为独行侠除了JJ-巴里亚之外真的没什么靠谱的持球人了……但现在我们有了两个非常棒的持球手，而他还在像哈登一样运球。马修斯你可特么往边上稍稍吧，老老实实站在底角等着投三分然后回防就完事了。他在开拓者打得很好，因为那时他只是个3D。我希望他能回到那个角色。
[–]MavericksOmfgHaxx 59 指標 22小時前
Carlisle needs to talk to him because he was ruining the whole flow of the offense while he was out there. Doncic and DSJ should be the ball handlers.
独行侠球迷：卡莱尔需要和他谈谈了，因为他在场时毁掉了我侠整个进攻节奏。东契奇和丹尼斯-史密斯才应该持球。
[–]huntzy 259 指標 23小時前
Doncic isn't an elite athlete by NBA standards, but I think he looks less athletic than he is because he has an upright ball handling style kind of like Magic.
按照NBA的标准来看，东契奇的运动能力并不属于精英级别的。但我觉得，他表现出的运动能力没有实际强是因为他就是完完全全的持球型球员，就像魔术师那样。
[–]T4Gx 110 指標 19小時前
How many people are even "elite atheletes by NBA standards". I'd argue guys like Steph Curry and James Harden aren't "elite athletes" if you compare then to guys like Westbrook and Lebron.
又有多少人的运动能力能达到NBA标准下的精英级别呢？如果你拿库里哈登和威少或詹姆斯这种怪兽来比的话，那我觉得库登的运动能力也不算“精英级别”。
[–]KnicksAmbientHunter 82 指標 18小時前
Harden is absolutely an elite athlete. He ran a quicker 3/4 sprint than John Wall at the draft combine and has incredible body control & balance, and above average explosiveness. Harden's game might not look athletic, but don't let looks deceive you, the man is a monster athlete.
哈登绝对拥有精英级别的运动能力。他新秀体测四分之三全场的冲刺成绩比沃尔还快。而且他还有不可思议的身体控制能力和平衡能力以及高于平均水平的爆发力。哈登打球时可能看着身体没那么劲爆，但别被眼前的景象蒙蔽了，他的运动能力绝对是怪物级别的。
[–]rocklee_shinobi 71 指標 22小時前
Correction:
he doesn’t have elite quickness, explosiveness and vertical
but I’d argue his wingspan and frame are elite
so he could probably get to an above average NBA athlete level
纠正：
东契奇确实没有精英级别的速度、爆发力和垂直弹跳；
但我认为他的臂展和骨架是精英级的。
所以他的运动能力大概可以超过NBA平均水准。
[–]NBAbayesian_acolyte 117 指標 22小時前
He also has elite body control and balance which are often overlooked parts of athleticism.
东契奇有精英级别的身体控制能力和平衡性，这两点是大家经常忽略的运动能力。
[–]rocklee_shinobi 76 指標 22小時前
yup!
most people simply equate athleticism to vertical, speed or explosiveness. basically what is easy for the eye to see
stuff like body control, balance, acceleration / decceleration are a lot less obvious
in truth athleticism is really a lot of different attributes
说的对！
大多数人总把运动能力等价于垂直弹跳、速度或爆发力。简单来讲就是那些肉眼可见的。
但像身体控制能力、平衡性、加速/减速能力就没那么显而易见，
事实上，运动能力是很多不同特质的集合。
[–]inefekt 66 指標 19小時前
Exactly. I don't understand this obsession with athleticism, as if you absolutely need it to be successful in the NBA. If you have elite skills and BBIQ then you don't need athleticism. Just look at Dirk, he's still an above average player if you look at his PER which was 1.7 above league average last season at age 39 and a vertical of about 6 inches.
完全正确。我不知道人们为何痴迷于运动能力，就好像那是在NBA中获得成功所必需的。如果你有精湛的技巧和高超的篮球智商，那你就不怎么需要运动能力呀。看看德克就知道了，如果只看效率值的话，他现在还是个高于平均水平的球员呢。上赛季39岁高龄的司机的PER仍比联盟平均水平高1.7的效率值，然而不要忘了，他现在的垂直弹跳大概只有20厘米。
[–]SunsXinpoint1 271 指標 23 小時前
Luka Doncic is the real deal. I can see why people say he's slow because he seems to "lumber" as he's a legitimate 6'8", 230 lbs. But he's actually beating everyone down the court with the ball in his hands. He had several instances of gra*河蟹*g the defensive rebound, pushing the ball up the court, and the defenders were forced to intentionally foul because they couldn't stop him.
太阳球迷：卢卡-东契奇真的是块儿璞玉。我明白人们为啥说他慢，因为他看起来有点“笨重”，毕竟他是实打实的2.03米外加200多斤。但他持球时还真的比场上的任何人都快。他本场很多次都能拿到防守篮板后直接快速带球推进，而防守者只能故意犯规，因为他们根本拦不住他。
His handles/craftiness, passing, and shooting are on full display this game. 16 pts, 6 reb, 3 blk, 4 TO on 5-7 shooting, 3-4 from three (including a 30-footer).
他的控球/花活儿、传球和投篮都在本场比赛展现得淋漓尽致。16分6篮板3盖帽4失误，投篮7中5，三分4中3（其中包括一个离筐9米的超远投篮）。
Since the Suns play the Mavs in the season opener, I had some thoughts there: Trevor Ariza and Josh Jackson will need to work all game to shut him down in our opener. I have confidence in Ariza to slow him down, while a bit more worried about Josh because of the size difference and potential foul trouble.
由于太阳和独行侠将在揭幕战中对决，在此我有几个想法：阿里扎和约什-杰克逊需要在揭幕战整场比赛严防死守东契奇，彻底封锁他。我对阿里扎能限制077还是有信心的，但我有点担心杰克逊，毕竟他跟东契奇的体型有差距，而且还有可能受到犯规困扰。
While Doncic doesn't have an elite first step, he has elite handles and vision that either allows him to still get by the defender or make the best pass. Dude was #1 on my draft board for a reason, and he's showing it so far.
虽然东契奇没有精英级别的第一步，他有超强的控球和视野，能帮助他能直接过掉防守者或者传出好球。我当初认为他能当选状元是有原因的，而他目前也向人们展示出了他的优秀。
[–]94savage 118 指標 23小時前
Luka has that magical bball IQ / awareness that you can't teach. I'm a believer now
东契奇神奇的篮球智商和意识是你教不会的，我现在信了他的邪啦。
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