歐文爲地平說言論致歉;他是真的陰謀論者還是只在故意開玩笑?

Kyrie apologizes for saying the Earth is flat

歐文為自己的地平說言論致歉。

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歐文為地平說言論致歉;他是真的陰謀論者還是隻在故意開玩笑?

“At the time, I was huge into conspiracies. Everybody’s been there. Everybody’s been there like, ‘Whoa! What’s going on with our world?!”

那會兒,我對各種陰謀論非常入迷。大家都有過那個階段,感嘆世界上有太多不為人知的奧秘。

“At the time, you’re like innocent in it, but you realize the effect of the power of voice. Even if you believe in that, just don’t come out and say that stuff – it’s for intimate conversations because perception while you’re received changes. I’m actually a smart-ass individual … At the time, I just didn’t realize the effect … I’m sorry about all that….

在那時,我感覺自己是天真無邪的,但同時我又意識到了自己話語的影響力。我意識到,就算你相信地球是平的,那也不要站出來直接就這麼說——這屬於私密談話的內容。因為你的認知是會改變的。我實際上真的是個機靈鬼……在那時,我只是沒意識到我的話會有很大影響力……我對此感到抱歉……

“So I’m sorry about all that: all the science teachers coming up to me going ‘You know I have to reteach my whole curriculum.’ I’m sorry! I apologize. I apologize.”

所以我對那一切感到抱歉。好多科學老師都跑來跟我說,因為我,他們要重教孩子們整個課程。所以,對不起,我道歉,我道歉。


[–][UTA] Mehmet Okurkiticus 3766 指標 3小時前

Lol, apologizes for saying it, says he learned to keep his opinions to "intimate conversations", and NEVER actually says that he DOESN'T think the earth is flat!

Kyrie, you're a real character! Haha

哈哈,歐文為自己說地球是平的致歉,表示自己學會了把觀點保留在“私密談話”中,但卻絲毫沒有表示自己不相信地球是平的啊!

歐文,你是真的有個性啊哈哈。

[–]iguot3388 819 指標 3小時前

Getting intimate w Kyrie: "baby lets pour that wax all on me"

Kyrie: girl dont you think parkland shooting was a false flag

一個姑娘與歐文在一起時氣氛很私密:“寶貝,把蠟都澆在我身上吧。”

歐文:“姑娘,你不覺得帕克蘭槍擊案是扛著紅旗反紅旗的反裝忠事件嗎?”

[–]BucksPantherU 216 指標 1小時前

Girl: "Oh Kyrie, I can't believe how hot you get me baby"

Kyrie: "GIRL JET FUEL DOESN'T BURN HOT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL"

姑娘:“噢,歐文,我不敢相信你會讓我的身體如此滾燙,寶貝。”

歐文:“姑娘,航空煤油燃燒的溫度並不足以熔化鋼鐵啊!(代指911陰謀論)”

[–]Rocketspipsdontsqueak 1054 指標 3小時前

He used to be big into conspiracies back then. He still is, but he used to be too.

歐文以前熱衷於陰謀論。他現在也還熱衷於陰謀論,但是他以前也熱衷。[譯註1]

[譯註1]美國喜劇演員Mitch Hedberg的經典段子:“我以前吸毒。我現在也還吸毒,但是我以前也吸。”(I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too)


[–]deck13 313 指標 4小時前

This is all a part of the conspiracy, they now want you to think that Kyrie no longer thinks that the world is flat lol

這些都是陰謀的一部分,【他們】現在想要【你們】以為【歐文】不再覺得世界是平的了。嚯嚯。

[–]Lakersram0h 69 指標 3小時前

I actually think this was the best way forward. If he is still really skeptical about certain things it is on him, but he now realizes the impact sharing his opinions to the masses are, and that he will refrain to do that with things he doesnt feel like he can do with certainty

我真的覺得歐文這樣留一手的道歉方式是最好的。如果他依舊對某些事情有所懷疑,那是他自己的事,但是他現在至少意識到了自己向民眾分享觀點時能產生的影響,他也意識到了以後對自己不確定的事發表言論時會有所剋制。

[–]Nosalis2 74 指標 3小時前

He's just saying this so everyone can finally hop off his dick & stop asking him about it in every single interview.

他這麼道歉就是為了大夥兒終於可以不就這個事糾纏他,不再在每次採訪中都問他這個問題。

[–]BucksTheGoldenSSTicket 123 指標 3小時前

Tbh he should have saw that coming. If you say some irrational shit you should be prepared to take the consequences

說真的,歐文之前就該預見到現在的情形了。如果你說了一些荒謬的言論,那你就應該準備好接受相應的後果。

[–]CelticsEmiajbeau 79 指標 2小時前

Unless you are the president. Point guards though, society's true leaders, better watch it.

凱爾特人球迷:除非你是總統。不過控球后衛可是社會真正的領導者,那最好要管住自己的嘴。手動狗頭。


[–]LakersSomeGuyInSanJoseCa 464 指標 4小時前

Eh, that was more of a round-about apology.

額,這個道歉的過程還真是拐彎抹角啊。

[–]Spurswidelyruled 272 指標 3小時前

I too noticed he never explicitly retracted his position that the world is flat -- just that he's sorry about the perception and effect.

我也注意到歐文沒有明確地否認自己認可地平說——他只是為人們的認知和該言論產生的影響而抱歉。

[–]Mavericksclonemusic 116 指標 3小時前

Also made sure to mention how smart he is lol

而且他還沒忘了提到自己有多聰明哈哈。

[–]Trail Blazersmm825 92 指標 3小時前

I WENT TO YALE

我可是上了耶魯![譯註2]

[譯註2]最高法院法官提名人Brett Kavanaugh在聽證會的拙劣表現引起各方調侃。在為針對自己的性侵指控辯解時,他提到自己上了耶魯,努力取得了優異成績。

[–][PHI] JaVale McGeebrady25 309 指標 3小時前

“I'm actually a smart ass individual”

Kyrie Irving, 2018

“我實際上真的是個機靈鬼。”——凱里-歐文說於2018年。


[–]BucksHard4Favra 856 指標 4小時前

Big whiff for the "he's just trolling guise" crowd.

這不打了那群說歐文“只是在譁眾取寵”的人的臉嘛。

[–]bowmanc 163 指標 3小時前

I think Kyrie is just a blurry creature, it is not the defenders fault

我覺得歐文這個人是捉摸不透的,不能賴為他辯護的人啊。

[–]mrilly 309 指標 3小時前

This dude follows a ton of flat earth IG pages

歐文可關注了好多有關地平說的Instagram賬號啊。

[–][LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbengahonditar 171 指標 3小時前*

holy shiiiit lol he is actually dumb confirmed

sooooo many Celtics fans tried tellin me he was trolling smh

湖人球迷:我勒個去哈哈哈哈,歐文是個蠢貨無疑了。

還有那麼那麼多凱爾特人球迷曾試著告訴我說歐文是在譁眾取寵而已。唉呀呀。

[–]RaptorsVinceJumpmanCarter 86 指標 3小時前

According to himself, he's actually a smart-ass individual. He'd fit right in here at r/nba

根據歐文本人的原話,他實際上真是個機靈鬼。所以他跟咱話題區是完美契合啊。

[–]LarBrd33 102 指標 1小時前*

Look, if he's trolling it's a pretty fucking pointless trolljob since all it's doing is making people question his intelligence.

凱爾特人球迷:這麼說吧,如果歐文是在譁眾取寵的話,那他的做法也太TM沒意義了,因為地平說事件起的所有作用只是讓人們質疑他的智商。

This all started in the Road Trippin podcast where he was candidly talking to his teammates about Aliens and his conspiracy theories. I suggest people listen to it if they haven't heard it in-context: https://youtu.be/mzjL9JxSFAk?t=748. In it, he made it clear that he's a big time conspiracy theorist. In every single interview this has been brought up since, he's either reiterated that he genuinely believes the world is flat - or slightly changed the subject to express his frustration that people look at him as unintelligent for having different beliefs.

這件事始於《Road Trippin》播客的一期節目,歐文坦率地和他的隊友們談論外星人還有他的各種陰謀論。如果你們還沒有聽過的話,我建議大家結合上下文聽一聽那段內容。

YouTube鏈接:歐文做客播客節目《Road Trippin》>>

在這段內容中,歐文明確表示自己是個大陰謀論者。從那以後,在每次採訪中,這件事都會被提及,歐文要麼重申自己真的相信地球是平的,要麼稍稍變個話題,表達自己的沮喪之情——因為自己有不同的信仰,人們都把他當傻子看。

At the time this made news, it wasn't just that he thought the world was flat. He was clearly a big time conspiracy theorist. He doubted the moon landing. He said that Alien movies were proof they existed since "nobody is that creative". He questioned who was behind the deaths of JFK and Bob Marley.

這條新聞出來的時候,內容可不光是“歐文認為地球是平的”。他明顯是個超級陰謀論者。他質疑登月的真實性。他說外星人電影是外星人存在的證據,因為“沒有人能那麼有創意”。歐文還質疑約翰-肯尼迪和鮑勃-馬利遇害的真相。

He even questioned the authenticity of Dinosaur bones. People looked at his instagram and twitter and it was clear he had been following conspiracy theory pages for years - so he obviously had a passionate interest in this stuff. It's also fair to note that Kyrie reportedly belongs to Carl Lentz evangelical celebrity cult "hillsong church" where they believe in creationism - so it's fair to say Kyrie just distrusts Science in general.

他甚至質疑恐龍骨骼的真實性。人們當時查了他的Instagram和推特,顯然,歐文之前已經關注陰謀論的頁面很久了——所以他顯然對這些內容充滿了興趣。同樣值得注意的是,據報道,歐文屬於Carl Lentz福音派名人團體“新頌教會”,這個團體信仰神造論——所以,說歐文總體上不相信科學還是有依據的。

Even in this interview, he at no point says he doesn't believe the world is flat. He's doing the same thing he always does - changes the subject to express his frustration that people think he's unintelligent for having alternate beliefs:

即使是在這次採訪中,他也沒說過自己不相信地球是平的。他做的事兒跟他以前一直做的一樣——改變話題,表達自己的沮喪感:人們因為自己信仰不同而把自己看成傻子。

""Even if you believe in that, don't come out and say that stuff. That's for intimate conversations because perception and how you're received, it changes. I'm actually a smart-ass individual,"

“我意識到,就算你相信地球是平的,那也不要站出來直接就這麼說——這屬於私密談話的內容。因為你的認知是會改變的。我實際上真的是個機靈鬼。”

""At the time I didn't realize the effect. I was definitely at that time, 'I'm a big conspiracy theorist. You can't tell me anything.' I'm sorry about all that. For all the science teachers, everybody coming up to me like, 'You know I have to reteach my whole curriculum!' I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize,"

“那個時候,我並沒有意識到會有什麼影響。我那個時候的心態肯定是‘我是個大陰謀論家。你跟我說什麼都沒用’。所以,我為所有的這一切感到抱歉。我向所有的科學老師道歉,大家都跑過來跟我說,‘你知道麼,我得重新教一遍我的整個課程!’對不起,我道歉,我道歉。”

Once again, nowhere in here is he saying "I was trolling" or "it was a joke" or "i believe the world is round now". He's actually just confirming once again that he genuinely believed in those conspiracy theories and presumably still believes in them. He's apologizing to teachers for forcing them to change their curriculum.

又一次的,歐文在本次採訪中完全沒有說過“我當時只是在譁眾取寵而已”或者“那只是個玩笑”,或者“我現在相信地球是圓的”。他只是再次證明了自己當時真的相信那些陰謀論,而且可能現在仍然相信它們。他只是在向老師們為他們不得不改變整套課程這一原因而道歉。

If anything, he's just quadrupling down on something he already triple downed and double downed on last year. The guy believes the world is flat. It is what it is.

如果這次採訪傳遞了什麼信息的話,那就是他再次強調了他去年就已經一遍遍重複過的內容。歐文相信地球是平的。這就是事實。

I personally think it's a weird belief, but the dude still is an awesome basketball player, seems like a great person, and seems thoughtful and intelligent. The GM of our team is a Mormon Bishop. Some of the beliefs in Mormonism are fucking batshit crazy insane in my opinion - but I still see Danny Ainge as a genius. And no, I don't think Danny is "trolling". Whatever.

我個人認為這是個奇怪的信仰,但是歐文仍然是個出色的籃球運動員,而且看起來是個不錯的好人。他看上去有思想,有智慧。我們球隊的總經理是個摩門教主教。在我看來,摩門教的一些信仰簡直太TM瘋狂了——但是我仍然覺得丹尼-安吉是個天才。而且,不管怎麼說,我並不認為安吉在譁眾取寵。話說完了。


[–][NYK] Kyle O'Quinnbdoded 249 指標 4小時前

OK u can come to the knicks now

尼克斯球迷:好的,現在你可以來尼克斯了。

[–][BKN] Vince CarterJeffKaplanIsDaddy 192 指標 4小時前

"I'm good"

-Kyrie

籃網球迷:

“算啦。”——歐文。

[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 140 指標 4小時前

he STILL never said he didn't believe it lmaooo

他還是沒說自己不相信地平說啊哈哈哈哈哈哈。

[–]poopfeast180 142 指標 4小時前

hes apologizing for saying it kek.

i dont get it man i just dont get why he believes it.

哈哈,歐文只是在為自己那麼說而道歉啊。

我就不懂了,我真的不懂為啥他會相信地球是平的啊。

[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 111 指標 4小時前

he watched a youtube video that told him the government was lying to him, apparently that's good enough for him

他看過一個YouTube視頻,上面告訴他政府在對他說謊,顯然那個視頻的內容對他來說已經足夠優質了。

[–]Rocketsdepressiown 328 指標 3小時前

A lot of these conspiracies take hold with people because folks want to feel smart. If they think they know something that goes against the majority of what society believes/knows, they think they're in some sort of exculsive super-smart club. Smarter than the average bear, because only they know this thing. I have to believe a lot of flat earthers and moon landing deniers fall into this category of person.

很多陰謀論觀點抓人心是因為人們想要覺得自己很聰明。他們覺得,如果自己知道一些和社會相信/知道的主流觀點相左的東西,那他們就是某個智力超群的特殊圈子一員,那他們就覺得自己要比一般人要聰明,因為只有他們知道這樣的事情。我真的相信很多地平論者和否認登月者都屬於這類人。

But no, sometimes ideas aren't accepted by society because they're fucking stupid and demonstrably false. They are objectively wrong. Even giving these ideas the time of day is harmful, not intelligent. It's not open-minded, it's just dumb.

而且,有時候,一些觀點並不被社會接納是因為它們實在太愚蠢了,明顯是錯的。它們在客觀上就是錯誤的。給這些觀點存在的機會都是不明智、危害社會的。接納這類觀點不是思想開放,只是在犯蠢而已。


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