At this time last year, Kawhi and Boogie were considered loyal players while Paul George was considered a snake.
去年今日，大家還認為倫納德和考辛斯是忠誠的球員，而喬治卻被批成一條蛇。
But now, Paul George is considered loyal for staying with OKC while Boogie and Kawhi are total snakes. Also, Hayward was a snake for a while until he hurt his ankle. Really makes you think
現如今，因為續約雷霆，大家認為喬治是忠誠的球員，而考辛斯和倫納德卻成為了徹頭徹尾的蛇。另外，海沃德在上個休賽季也一度被認為是條蛇，直到他傷了腳踝。這些值得讓人深思
[–][CLE] LeBron JamesAndrE_VieuX 1832 指標 11小時前
I remember Boogie coming of the field after beating GSW yelling "fuck Golden State"
騎士球迷：我還記得，在一場擊敗勇士的賽後，考辛斯曾大喊“去特麼的勇士！”
[–]Baconmazing 1390 指標 10小時前
Boogie isn't a snake because he didn't "backstab." He left a team that he wasn't drafted by, that he played for 1 year for, in free agency. Hayward proved he wasn't a snake because snakes don't have ankles, so how could he break his ?
考辛斯不是蛇，因為他沒有在背後捅刀子。他只是以自由球員的身份離開了一支他僅僅效力一年的球隊罷了，更何況鵜鶘還不是那支把他選進NBA的球隊。海沃德同樣證明了自己不是蛇，因為蛇根本沒腳踝啊，所以如果海沃德是蛇，他的腳踝又怎麼會傷呢？
[–]RaptorsFahCough 332 指標 9小時前
Fax
樓上字字珠璣。
[–]Wizardskj78ou78o7 166 指標 7小時前*
Yeah, OP's just pandering for upvotes here. No one thinks Boogie is disloyal, they just hate where he went.
沒錯，樓主就是為了騙贊。沒有人認為考辛斯不忠誠，人們只是討厭他加盟的那支隊伍而已。
[–]red-sand 114 指標 9小時前
Not to mention the Pelicans didn’t to pay him. It really seems like they didn’t want him back. Which was smart because they need someone like Randle who can play right now if they want to make the playoffs.
而且鵜鶘沒有和考辛斯續約的意圖。似乎鵜鶘真的不想要他歸隊。其實這也很聰明，因為如果想闖進季後賽，那蘭德爾這樣的即戰力才是他們最需要的。
[–]Celticspeachesgp 42 指標 9小時前
I thought they had a non-minimum contract on the table after he was hurt.
凱爾特人球迷：我記得，在考辛斯受傷後，鵜鶘曾把一份大於底薪的合同擺上談判桌啊？
[–]Baconmazing 91 指標 9小時前
Nah. He was looking for a place to give him a full contract and noone would so he said "F everyone, im going to the Warriors for 0$"
不，當時考神是在尋求一支能給他頂薪合同的球隊，然而沒人買賬。我猜當時考神內心OS是：“我可去你的吧。老子0元加盟勇士行了吧。”
[–]CelticsTreyAdell 564 指標 11小時前
Being Loyal is overrated and player should have no expectation to live up to these ideals we force on them. Players will make decisions for their own lives and teams will make decisions based on the need for their own franchise, neither is inherently bad.
凱爾特人球迷：忠誠被高估了，不能說我們球迷把一些價值觀強加到球員身上然後球員們就該不負期望地讓我們滿意。球員做決定是為了自己的生計，球隊也會根據自身需求做決定，這兩者本身都不是壞事。
[–]SpursThePerfectScreenName 79 指標 9小時前
"Loyalty" isn’t even an actual, consistent principle that r/nba holds anyway. I don’t take any of this seriously as anything more than a way to feel morally justified killing someone for finding a better job.
馬刺球迷：反正“忠誠”在本話題區也從來不是一碗水端平的真正原則啊。歸根結底就是，球員們找到了更好的工作，然後人們想從道德層面找優越感。屁事而已，我根本不放在心上。
[–]RaptorsSprinkle_Salt 124 指標 9小時前
Yet we should be able to view a player how we want based on what actions said player takes. They can do what they want, we can think and say what we want.
但是對於球員做出的行為，我們也有權按照自己的想法看待他們的行為。是，球員們想幹啥就幹啥，但我們球迷們同樣也有思考的權利，也有說出我們想要什麼的權利。
[–]PistonsDeadbeatdaughtr 72 指標 8小時前
in theory, but almost no one holds it against franchises, at least not their own, for their cutthroat decisions(see IT in Boston) even though they make hundreds of millions of dollars and have secure financial positions, while players have a decade, if they're lucky, to try and make as much money as they're ever going to make. No one is saying you don't have the right to criticize players, I'm saying it's dumb to hold them to a higher standard than the organizations they play for.
理論上是這樣，但幾乎沒有人拿忠誠這杆槍反俱樂部啊，至少是不會反對他們自己主隊（看看IT那個例子），而且這還是球隊每年賺幾億美元而且財政狀況十分穩定的前提下易。反觀球員呢，如果他們足夠幸運的話，拼死拼活十年才能賺到俱樂部一年的利潤。不是說球迷沒權利批評球員，我的意思是，人們對球員的評判標準要比球員為之效力的俱樂部的標準更過嚴苛，這很蠢啊。
[–]red-sand 214 指標 9小時前
No one except disgruntled Indiana fans ever considered PG to be a snake. He told them in advance he expected to leave in FA, which allowed the Pacers to trade him and get a return.
除了心懷不滿的印城球迷，去年根本沒人把喬治看作一隻蛇。他提前告知球隊他會以自由球員的身份離開，這使得步行者有機會把他交易出去並得到回報。
[–]PistonsPMmeuroneweirdtrick 95 指標 9小時前
But also tanked his value once it went public that he wanted to go to the Lakers
然而將想去洛城的想法公之於眾之後，他也使自己的交易價值打了折扣。
[–]ThunderBrotherSeamus 29 指標 8小時前
Pacers got plenty of value for him IMO.
雷霆球迷：我覺得步行者用喬治換來的資產可價值不菲啊。
[–][IND] Reggie Milleryutingxiang 81 指標 8小時前
No one knew exactly how good Oladipo and Sabonis were going to be last year, though. Everyone thought the Pacers were getting fleeced at the time and just getting what they could due to George tanking his trade value.
步行者球迷：不過去年根本沒人知道奧拉迪波和薩博尼斯到底能變得這麼出色。所有人都認為我遛在那筆交易中被敲了一筆，大家覺得由於喬治主動降低自己的交易價值，我溜只能換來那些籌碼了。
[–]Raptors Bandwagonme_for_president2032 90 指標 9小時前
PG is ride or die if he’s in a situation he likes. Unfortunately that last Pacers team he was a part of was a bad mesh of individuals, playing styles, and Bird made a lot of decisions that went against PG’s loyalties (trading Hill, firing Vogel).
猛龍球迷：喬治是這麼一個人，如果他處於一個自己喜歡的環境中，那他會戰鬥到最後一刻。很不幸的是，喬治當初所在的那支步行者情況並不樂觀，球隊人員和比賽風格很不搭配，而伯德的一系列騷操作也與喬治的忠誠相違背，比如交易走希爾，炒了沃格爾。
PG is a good dude and he will end up embracing OKC and loving it there. He really tried hard to do that with Indy for the majority of his time here, just didn’t work in the end
❤️ u paul
喬治人很好的，他最後會擁抱鵝城並愛上那兒。他在印城的絕大部分時間也在努力嘗試這一點，但最終就是並沒有奏效。
❤️你哦，喬治。
[–]WestVerySadAllTheTime 221 指標 11小時前
The whole snake thing is very tired
什麼蛇不蛇的屁事兒真TM無聊。
[–]Raptorswilcox1232 141 指標 11小時前
No players are loyal. No teams are loyal. Loyalty is a joke
沒有球員是忠誠的，亦沒有球隊是忠誠的。忠誠在這個聯盟就是笑話。
[–]Mavericksfcbayernmuenchen 85 指標 11小時前
Dont forget daddy Dirk
獨行俠球迷：別忘了老司機。
[–][SAS] Manu GinobiliDctr_K 100 指標 11小時前
Ginobili
馬刺球迷：還有吉諾比利。
[–]76ersBudotsKing 63 指標 10小時前
Y'all acting like switching teams would ruin lives. These players have their lives to live. Let them play where they please. Sports is insigbificant in the grand scheme of things to judge a person's character from the team he chooses to play for.
你們說得好像換隊跟殺人放火一樣。這些球員們有自己的日子要過，讓他們在自己開心的地方打球就好了。體育跟生活的多個寬度廣度比根本算不了什麼，根據一名球員選擇在哪打球來對一個人的品格下論斷簡直是無稽之談。
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